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[Reportedly] Some BA A380s to be sold/scrapped

[Reportedly] Some BA A380s to be sold/scrapped

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List of active A380s:-
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 Aircraft   Delivery     Hours                  Maint 1      Maint 2      Maint 3
 G-XLEA     04.07.2013   28,301 at 11.05.2020   21.06.2015   12.04.2017   17.12.2018
 G-XLEB     20.09.2013   28,721 at 08.07.2020   24.09.2015   20.05.2017   04.03.2019
 G-XLEC     18.10.2013   25,741 at 16.08.2019   17.10.2015   09.09.2017   06.05.2019
 G-XLED     17.01.2014   26,600 at 07.01.2020   24.01.2016   08.11.2017   06.08.2019
 G-XLEE     06.03.2014   27,021 at 27.02.2020   15.02.2016   16.12.2017   19.10.2019
 G-XLEF     15.05.2014   26,749 at 01.04.2020   16.04.2016   25.02.2018   19.01.2020
 G-XLEG     11.09.2014   25,140 at 17.08.2020   25.09.2016   09.04.2018   25.05.2020
 G-XLEH     16.10.2014   25,576 at 07.08.2020   15.10.2016   16.09.2018   21.08.2020
 G-XLEI     13.02.2015   23,160 at 22.01.2020   21.01.2017   21.10.2018   15.10.2020
 G-XLEJ     10.11.2015   18,742 at 31.10.2019   28.09.2017   11.06.2019
 G-XLEK     03.02.2016   18,563 at 22.01.2020   21.01.2018   22.11.2019
 G-XLEL     22.06.2016   17,580 at 27.05.2020   28.04.2018   23.02.2020
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  1. Maintenance dates are for the completion of each period of major maintenance work, lasting about 3, 5 and 8 weeks respectively.
  2. As of 16 October 2020:-
    • G-XLEG was at LHR for maintenance.
    • G-XLEI was at LHR having returned from major maintenance at MNL.
    • All other aircraft were stored at CHR.
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Old Sep 9, 20, 8:59 am
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[Reportedly] Some BA A380s to be sold/scrapped


380 might also be on the way out
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Old Sep 9, 20, 9:05 am
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Oh dear...
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Old Sep 9, 20, 9:22 am
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Yes OH DEAR! Think this will need a separate post?
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Old Sep 9, 20, 9:51 am
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I saw on twitter that a BA A380 captain had been sent to re-train (or cross train) for the A350.

didnt think that boded well
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Old Sep 9, 20, 9:53 am
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I saw on twitter that a BA A380 captain had been sent to re-train (or cross train) for the A350.

didnt think that boded well
Yes, Dave was trained for A350. Apparently he can't cross between the two and will only be A350 going forwards.

Sad times!
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Old Sep 9, 20, 9:58 am
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Fairly standard the most comfortable aircraft in Economy are also the ones the airlines are desperate to get rid of.

What is better for the consumer is clearly worse for business given the higher operating costs in many instances.

It is a particular shame for the A380 - an aircraft loved by passengers, but which isn't valued so highly be carriers. I often thought it was an aircraft that arrived 10-15 years too soon. Pre-covid, it was perfect for airports suffering slot constraints like LHR and also brought with it the potential to help reduce the number of flights given the focus on the environment, should governments introduce such measures. I know this was unfavourable for airlines, but you could've got to the position where measures meant you ditched two 787s and just flew one A380 instead.

But then, when is anyone going to need an aircraft of this size again? The Boeing 77X also looks like its market has vanished before it enters service.

It's my favourite aircraft to fly on so hopefully it can survive.
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:01 am
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..... and just when I grabbed UUA to First to YVR next May😐
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by Bohinjska Bistrica View Post
Fairly standard the most comfortable aircraft in Economy are also the ones the airlines are desperate to get rid of. What is better for the consumer is clearly worse for business.
An unfortunate co-incidence, letís be honest. The A380 and B747 have been sidelined because they carry too many pax and their fuel burn isnít comparable with A350/B787 etc.
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:09 am
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Another big tranche of F seats gone
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:23 am
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The reporting of only eight returning to service has been kicking around these parts for several weeks, so although not new news, it is still not confirmed
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by Bohinjska Bistrica View Post
Fairly standard the most comfortable aircraft in Economy are also the ones the airlines are desperate to get rid of.

What is better for the consumer is clearly worse for business given the higher operating costs in many instances.

It is a particular shame for the A380 - an aircraft loved by passengers, but which isn't valued so highly be carriers. I often thought it was an aircraft that arrived 10-15 years too soon. Pre-covid, it was perfect for airports suffering slot constraints like LHR and also brought with it the potential to help reduce the number of flights given the focus on the environment, should governments introduce such measures. I know this was unfavourable for airlines, but you could've got to the position where measures meant you ditched two 787s and just flew one A380 instead.

But then, when is anyone going to need an aircraft of this size again? The Boeing 77X also looks like its market has vanished before it enters service.

It's my favourite aircraft to fly on so hopefully it can survive.
the 777x sits about 150 passengers less than the 380 and 30 passengers more than the 300ER. So it doesnít compare to the 380 on a size scale. The 777X alongside the A350-1000 I think Is the aircraft you want if and when demand returns back to 2019 levels
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:33 am
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The reporting of only eight returning to service has been kicking around these parts for several weeks, so although not new news, it is still not confirmed
but the question now becomes. Whatís the point of operating 8 isnít it too expensive? I think those 8 coming back had to with warming up slots than demand due to the waiver coming to an end. But a framework has been agreed by the airlines and airports. It is now waiting EU approval (which theyíll probably get) if and when they get that waiver. You can be rest assured these birds are done out
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:36 am
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This is a real shame and itís scary how times are changing so quickly. I hope BA do keep the other 8 for a good few years though. The market isnít recovering as expected and things are actually much worse than expected.

I honestly thought with 30 747s gone, the A380s would have stayed. They arenít even 10 years old!
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Old Sep 9, 20, 10:57 am
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a shame but not surprising will wait and see what my march SFO F flight i just booked in the sale gets swapped out with if true
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Old Sep 9, 20, 11:04 am
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4 out of 12 = 30% of the fleet. If it's true, then it's in line with the general trend we've seen in the industry in terms of cuts, both of fleets and - sadly - of people.

This is quite significant, however. Unlike the 744s and 346, which BA and IB had almost completely paid for (but still yielded a euro 750m write off in the last Quarter financials) the 380s are far from being depreciated. I think the accounting value of one of those birds is in the region of a 100/150m, so we're looking at quite a significant write-off.

Also, it's worth remembering that this time last year BA/IAG were working on approving the refurbishment of all 380s with the new Club Suite, an investment of billions. If this is true and 30% of the fleet are to be scrapped, then it's again proof of how big this crisis is for the industry. BA was one of the few, if not the only, airline in Europe capable of making the 380s make money.
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