Sep 10, 2020, 4:22 pm
Last edit by: Globaliser
List of active A380s:
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Major maintenance:
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Aircraft Delivery Hours
G-XLEA 04.07.2013 29,259 at 06.04.2022
G-XLEB 20.09.2013 28,913 at 29.07.2022
G-XLEC 18.10.2013 29,592 at 20.09.2022
G-XLED 17.01.2014 27,628 at 06.01.2022
G-XLEE 06.03.2014 27,385 at 03.02.2021
G-XLEF 15.05.2014 27,572 at 30.03.2022
G-XLEG 11.09.2014 27,033 at 01.08.2022
G-XLEH 16.10.2014 25,613 at 01.08.2022
G-XLEI 13.02.2015 24,390 at 21.01.2022
G-XLEJ 10.11.2015 21,521 at 31.10.2022
G-XLEK 03.02.2016 19,363 at 20.03.2022
G-XLEL 22.06.2016 19,284 at 17.06.2022
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Major maintenance:
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Aircraft Maint 1 Maint 2 Maint 3 Maint 4
G-XLEA 21.06.2015 12.04.2017 17.12.2018 26.10.2021
G-XLEB 24.09.2015 20.05.2017 04.03.2019 07.02.2022
G-XLEC 17.10.2015 09.09.2017 06.05.2019 08.03.2022
G-XLED 24.01.2016 08.11.2017 06.08.2019 23.12.2021
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G-XLEE 15.02.2016 16.12.2017 19.10.2019 14.04.2022
G-XLEF 16.04.2016 25.02.2018 19.01.2020 04.02.2022
G-XLEG 25.09.2016 09.04.2018 25.05.2020 13.05.2022
G-XLEH 15.10.2016 16.09.2018 21.08.2020 11.09.2022
G-XLEI 21.01.2017 21.10.2018 15.10.2020 28.10.2022
G-XLEJ 28.09.2017 11.06.2019 16.07.2022
G-XLEK 21.01.2018 22.11.2019 04.01.2022
G-XLEL 28.04.2018 23.02.2020 31.03.2022
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Notes:
- Maintenance dates are for the completion of each period of major maintenance work, lasting about 3, 5, 8 and 4 weeks respectively.
- As of 28 October 2022: -
- G-XLEA is in service
- G-XLEB is in service
- G-XLEC is in service
- G-XLED is in service
- G-XLEE is in service
- G-XLEF is in service
- G-XLEG is in service
- G-XLEH is in service
- G-XLEI is in service
- G-XLEJ is in service
- G-XLEK is in service
- G-XLEL is in service
- Airport codes:-
- LHR = London Heathrow
Stored A380s | maintenance movements
Sep 9, 2020, 11:36 pm
#31
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It’s becoming increasingly clear that this is not just going to be a temporary blip. Even if Covid-19 disappears tomorrow, many businesses have found successful new ways of working that involve less travel, and many leisure travellers have become far more risk averse. Demand - especially for long haul - will be down for years to come and the A380 is the worst possible aircraft for a depressed market.
Sep 10, 2020, 2:14 am
#32
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You’re making two big assumptions: that there’ll be a successful vaccine - by no means guaranteed - and that if there is, demand will bounce back overnight.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that this is not just going to be a temporary blip. Even if Covid-19 disappears tomorrow, many businesses have found successful new ways of working that involve less travel, and many leisure travellers have become far more risk averse. Demand - especially for long haul - will be down for years to come and the A380 is the worst possible aircraft for a depressed market.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that this is not just going to be a temporary blip. Even if Covid-19 disappears tomorrow, many businesses have found successful new ways of working that involve less travel, and many leisure travellers have become far more risk averse. Demand - especially for long haul - will be down for years to come and the A380 is the worst possible aircraft for a depressed market.
Sep 10, 2020, 2:19 am
#33
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Sep 10, 2020, 2:22 am
#34
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I agree. I think, a little like the Concorde era, we’re going to move to a new era even ‘post-pandemic’. Will there still be business travel? Yes of course there will - but I doubt it’ll get back to 2019 levels for all sorts of reasons. I do wonder if we’ll end up in a digitally connected but more physically separated world as a result. I also wonder whether surviving airlines & hotels will focus a little more on leisure. Where this leaves the ‘Executive Club’ remains to be seen.
Sep 10, 2020, 2:28 am
#35
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BA, QF, LH use Lufthansa Technik in Manila. Not sure which other airlines use them. At what point will the reduction in A380s across their clients mean that Lufthansa will close this shop?
Sep 10, 2020, 3:33 am
#37
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I can only speak for my firm - a big4 consultancy and it is almost surprising how quickly a 140k employees tanker has globally adapted to MS teams, and our clients did as well.
Covid 19 has transformed the way we work, and especially the services sector (Consulting, Finance, Banking, etc) won't go back to the old times anymore. It's simply more cost effective, and faster. I expect my business travel will be in 2021 60% lower compared to 2019.
Airlines like BA, who have relied on margin strong routes like JFK-LHR will face a strong margin erosion themselves - what that means for customer service etc will be seen.
Covid 19 has transformed the way we work, and especially the services sector (Consulting, Finance, Banking, etc) won't go back to the old times anymore. It's simply more cost effective, and faster. I expect my business travel will be in 2021 60% lower compared to 2019.
Airlines like BA, who have relied on margin strong routes like JFK-LHR will face a strong margin erosion themselves - what that means for customer service etc will be seen.
Sep 10, 2020, 3:40 am
#38
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I believe that the LH Group are also looking to go forwards with a fleet of eight aircraft. They currently have fourteen, all stored, but I believe the last I read was for six to get retired. Clearly the airlines have done their homework and eight is the minimum viable fleet size.
Sep 10, 2020, 3:45 am
#39
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I can only speak for my firm - a big4 consultancy and it is almost surprising how quickly a 140k employees tanker has globally adapted to MS teams, and our clients did as well.
Covid 19 has transformed the way we work, and especially the services sector (Consulting, Finance, Banking, etc) won't go back to the old times anymore. It's simply more cost effective, and faster. I expect my business travel will be in 2021 60% lower compared to 2019.
Covid 19 has transformed the way we work, and especially the services sector (Consulting, Finance, Banking, etc) won't go back to the old times anymore. It's simply more cost effective, and faster. I expect my business travel will be in 2021 60% lower compared to 2019.
Sep 10, 2020, 4:11 am
#40
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well I would imagine that the LHT infrastructure over in Manila can accommodate other aircrafts (BAMC’s bays, or at least one of them, has adaptable rigging that can fit a 777 and 747 plus I believe the 787).
Sep 10, 2020, 5:14 am
#41
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I can only speak for my firm - a big4 consultancy and it is almost surprising how quickly a 140k employees tanker has globally adapted to MS teams, and our clients did as well.
Covid 19 has transformed the way we work, and especially the services sector (Consulting, Finance, Banking, etc) won't go back to the old times anymore. It's simply more cost effective, and faster. I expect my business travel will be in 2021 60% lower compared to 2019.
Airlines like BA, who have relied on margin strong routes like JFK-LHR will face a strong margin erosion themselves - what that means for customer service etc will be seen.
Covid 19 has transformed the way we work, and especially the services sector (Consulting, Finance, Banking, etc) won't go back to the old times anymore. It's simply more cost effective, and faster. I expect my business travel will be in 2021 60% lower compared to 2019.
Airlines like BA, who have relied on margin strong routes like JFK-LHR will face a strong margin erosion themselves - what that means for customer service etc will be seen.
Sep 10, 2020, 5:24 am
#42
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What is the source of this rumour? Is it just a mis-reading of the longer-term storage of 4 A380s, or has BA hinted at something else?
Surely if they are keeping the A380 fleet it would be not that much more expensive to continue to run a fleet of 12 at maybe lower utilisation to allow for growth post 2023. The oldest A380 still has at least 20 years of life ahead of it (assuming a 25-30-year in-service life which has traditionally been typical of much of the BA Long haul fleet) pre covid
Surely if they are keeping the A380 fleet it would be not that much more expensive to continue to run a fleet of 12 at maybe lower utilisation to allow for growth post 2023. The oldest A380 still has at least 20 years of life ahead of it (assuming a 25-30-year in-service life which has traditionally been typical of much of the BA Long haul fleet) pre covid
Sep 10, 2020, 5:58 am
#43
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I agree with a lot of this, I've seen quite a few posts on this forum from people working in sales etc. saying that they fundamentally need to be able to travel for their job and so they expect travel to rebound quickly as a result given Zoom/calls are just not the same as face-to-face, but there are many other areas where this is just not the case. COVID-19 has basically been a successful forced experiment in how many large corporates can cut their travel costs massively in future with little damage to the core business. Sure, some of that travel will return, but there are a lot of CFOs likely to seize on the opportunity and I'm personally beginning to think that corporate travel could take 5-10 years to get back to where it was in 2019. The outlook for businesses reliant on corporate rather than leisure travel even post-vaccine/COVID-19 burning out is not amazing, in my opinion. What this means for the A380 I'm not totally sure, but if BA decides to mothball or scrap the entire fleet, I would be saddened but not particularly surprised at this point.
Sep 10, 2020, 6:24 am
#45
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Really can't understand why all the airlines seem to be selling off or mothballing their larger planes, precisely at a time when passengers are asking for more space so that they can socially distance. I understand that running costs are a factor, but if airlines want people to return to flying, they need to consider the advantages of giving passengers as much space as possible so that they feel comfortable flying.
In the US, Delta, who fly their planes at 75% capacity or less, seem to be doing better than United, who are cramming their planes full, but both those operators have also disposed of their larger planes. Delta has even ditched all its 777s in favour of Airbus.
In the US, Delta, who fly their planes at 75% capacity or less, seem to be doing better than United, who are cramming their planes full, but both those operators have also disposed of their larger planes. Delta has even ditched all its 777s in favour of Airbus.