BA B777 Wheelie on Landing

Old Sep 7, 20, 11:49 am
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BA B777 Wheelie on Landing

Despite the grim current situation this BA pilot made me smile today. I am sure the fun police will be along to say that this is not big or clever but it did look very well controlled to this untrained eye.


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Old Sep 7, 20, 11:57 am
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Lovely to watch, almost balletic.
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Old Sep 7, 20, 12:01 pm
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Uncomfortably close to a tailstrike there IMHO. Probably close enough within the norms though.
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Old Sep 7, 20, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Robespierre
No doubt a zoom interview without tea and biscuits tomorrow.....
Or perhaps compliments on a perfectly executed manoeuvre for some problem that neither we nor the "commentator" has any clue about?
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How very unexciting! Aerodynamic braking was SOP on the Vulcan, of course.

I can think of a few random reasons why the PH decided to do that, but I wont waste keyboard time.
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Great use of aerodynamic braking to save on the brakes.
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Old Sep 7, 20, 1:53 pm
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BA 777 Wheelie on Landing -> BA B777 Wheelie on Landing

I've tweaked the thread title, to prevent anyone expecting a thread about a runaway cabin bag on the Stockholm flight .....
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Old Sep 7, 20, 2:21 pm
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Not a clue why it happened or whether it should or shouldn't but that sure look impressive, I can barely do that on my motorbike 😂😂
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Old Sep 7, 20, 2:48 pm
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Jerry from BJ TV is a legendary ****end among spotters. Pay him no heed.

It's not a wheelie for God's sake, it's aerodynamic braking, keep the nose up and spare the brakes as needed. The trick is to gently lower the nose as speed decays. It's an old school trick no longer encouraged as it takes a little more hands on skill than the "children of the magenta line" are trained to.

Either that or they completely messed the landing up! Looks more like the first though.
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Old Sep 7, 20, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by skipness1E
Jerry from BJ TV is a legendary ****end among spotters. Pay him no heed.
Confirmed after listening to 5 secs of his commentary 😐
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Old Sep 7, 20, 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by skipness1E
Jerry from BJ TV is a legendary ****end among spotters. Pay him no heed.

It's not a wheelie for God's sake, it's aerodynamic braking, keep the nose up and spare the brakes as needed. The trick is to gently lower the nose as speed decays. It's an old school trick no longer encouraged as it takes a little more hands on skill than the "children of the magenta line" are trained to.

Either that or they completely messed the landing up! Looks more like the first though.
It's not "aerodynamic braking", it's simply bringing the nose down slowly. This would probably be classed as too slow, but wouldn't be flagged on the on board data system. In a normal world, in a normal company, this would require nothing more than an Air Safety Report, which would be filed and forgotten about.

From the 787 Flight Crew Training Manual (yes I know it's a 777, but the principle applies to all Boeing aircraft): "Holding the nose up after touchdown for aerodynamic braking is not an effective braking technique and results in high nose gear sink rates upon brake application and reduced braking effectiveness".

Sorry that a "child of the magenta line" had to correct you. Manuals aside, in six years of flying Boeing aircraft, not once have I ever heard the term "aerodynamic braking" used by anybody. It's not a Vulcan.
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Old Sep 7, 20, 3:51 pm
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It's not exactly on topic, but I always thought that airliners would look a lot cooler if they deployed parachutes on landing like some Russian aircrafts. I mean, if a Tu-160 can do it why can't a 777?


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Old Sep 7, 20, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by steview111
From the 787 Flight Crew Training Manual (yes I know it's a 777, but the principle applies to all Boeing aircraft): "Holding the nose up after touchdown for aerodynamic braking is not an effective braking technique and results in high nose gear sink rates upon brake application and reduced braking effectiveness".
ISTR reading, a long time ago, something to the effect that if you hold the nose up after touchdown, this tends to increase the amount of lift still being generated by the wing, and therefore reduces the amount of weight on the main gear wheels, and so reduces the amount of braking that can be delivered through the wheels (which is proportional to the normal force exerted by the wheels on the pavement surface). In other words, the technique tends to negate the intention that the spoilers should dump weight onto the main gear wheels to make wheel braking as effective as possible.

Does this reason still apply, and does it lie beneath that warning?
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Old Sep 7, 20, 7:02 pm
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I must have missed something as it all looked satisfactory to me.
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Old Sep 8, 20, 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by skipness1E
Jerry from BJ TV is a legendary ****end among spotters. Pay him no heed.

It's not a wheelie for God's sake, it's aerodynamic braking, keep the nose up and spare the brakes as needed. The trick is to gently lower the nose as speed decays. It's an old school trick no longer encouraged as it takes a little more hands on skill than the "children of the magenta line" are trained to.

Either that or they completely messed the landing up! Looks more like the first though.

I like the enthusiasm of Jerry on Big Jet TV. Even through the quiet flying days of lockdown he was still there showing old footage and trying to entertain his followers. He gets some good film and always seems to be there to watch planes head to the scrapyard or when a new one arrives from the Boeing or Airbus factory. Definitely worth a look, especially those of us who have not been near an airport for some months.
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