End of BA MidHaul
Aug 30, 2020, 5:14 am
#106
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: London
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Just out of interest, is there any particular reason why these routes couldn't operate a 787 profitably long term (even in these times) and maintain their current pricing levels (and add in WTP+ price point), is it solely size?
I'm not an expert at all on aviation but I'd imagine there'd be fuel efficiencies from the prev mid-hauls, better hard product for customers (perhaps not their concern, but helps with competition on the route!) and increased cargo loads? Not as much fuel efficiency as the NEOs for the load factors I suspect, but perhaps the rest overshadows that?
I'm not an expert at all on aviation but I'd imagine there'd be fuel efficiencies from the prev mid-hauls, better hard product for customers (perhaps not their concern, but helps with competition on the route!) and increased cargo loads? Not as much fuel efficiency as the NEOs for the load factors I suspect, but perhaps the rest overshadows that?
Aug 30, 2020, 7:08 am
#107
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: UK - Hampshire & London
Programs: Mucci de Guardian des Celliers des Grands Crus 1e Classé, plus BAEC.
Posts: 2,731
Just out of interest, is there any particular reason why these routes couldn't operate a 787 profitably long term (even in these times) and maintain their current pricing levels (and add in WTP+ price point), is it solely size?
I'm not an expert at all on aviation but I'd imagine there'd be fuel efficiencies from the prev mid-hauls, better hard product for customers (perhaps not their concern, but helps with competition on the route!) and increased cargo loads? Not as much fuel efficiency as the NEOs for the load factors I suspect, but perhaps the rest overshadows that?
I'm not an expert at all on aviation but I'd imagine there'd be fuel efficiencies from the prev mid-hauls, better hard product for customers (perhaps not their concern, but helps with competition on the route!) and increased cargo loads? Not as much fuel efficiency as the NEOs for the load factors I suspect, but perhaps the rest overshadows that?
Aug 30, 2020, 1:24 pm
#110
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 579
I do wonder if one solution for Amman might be extending one of the TLV flights (similar to I think MCT which used to stop elsewhere in the Gulf). They could route one TLV flight via AMM. Would rather 1hr longer on a 777 or 787 than a shorthaul A320.
Aug 31, 2020, 1:02 am
#113
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 209
If it was 787 vs A321, the time lost on turnaround is made up for in flight. The 787 would do LHR-AMM around 20-25 minutes quicker each way than an A321 at the most economic speeds.
Aug 31, 2020, 4:10 am
#114
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,578
I'm not sure whether the India crew bases are still operating. My gut instinct says they aren't but I don't know for certain.
Aug 31, 2020, 4:16 am
#115
Moderator, Emirates
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Given that the A321 Mid-hauls have been the bread and butter of the majority of my flying over the past 3.5 years plus, I think I’m kinda going to miss them!
Aug 31, 2020, 4:28 am
#116
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: London, UK
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Long gone unfortunately - CAI crew used to be part of the crew of many if not all Middle Eastern destination flights. Along with HKG, CCS and GRU based crew to their respective markets. I had the most expertly poured Kir Royale from one of the CAI based crew where they slowly poured the Cassis down the swizzle stick so that it sunk below the champagne
Aug 31, 2020, 12:20 pm
#120
Join Date: May 2007
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So thanks to Raffles for bringing this to my attention. It seems BA will end Mid Haul operations.
So a few months ago BA axed SVO and BEY. That didn’t leave many Mid Haul routes left, so imho it seemed like the fleet wouldn’t be needed/practical.
It seems Moscow and Amman will become Short Haul routes. Yes you heard me right. Moscow on the A320 and Amman on A321neo.
Moscow has also changed to flight numbers BA881 and BA883. Amman to BA312.
EDIT: Cairo has also switched to become a short haul route (BA400).
So a few months ago BA axed SVO and BEY. That didn’t leave many Mid Haul routes left, so imho it seemed like the fleet wouldn’t be needed/practical.
It seems Moscow and Amman will become Short Haul routes. Yes you heard me right. Moscow on the A320 and Amman on A321neo.
Moscow has also changed to flight numbers BA881 and BA883. Amman to BA312.
EDIT: Cairo has also switched to become a short haul route (BA400).
That's me sticking with Aeroflot!
