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BA has started to update its schedule for the up coming Winter season (Sunday 25 October 2020 to Saturday 27 March 2021).

Below are details of the planned operation.

Updated: 02 September 2020
London Heathrow
Longhaul

Abu Dhabi - Daily service suspended for W20
Abuja - Daily 4 Class 777-200ER
Accra - Daily. A350-1000XWB replaces 747-400
Atlanta - Reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly. 787-8/787-9 operates
Austin - Daily. A350-1000XWB operates 5x Weekly, 777-300ER operates 2 x Weekly
Bahrain - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. 787-8/787-9 replaces 4 Class 777-200ER
Baltimore - Reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly. Flights operated by a mix of 787-8/787-9 (First cabin sold as CW on 787-9)
Bangalore - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. A350-1000XWB replaces 3 Class 777-200ER
Bangkok - Daily. 787-9 (First cabin sold as CW) replaces 3 Class 777-200ER.
Barbados - NEW Daily 4 Class 777-200ER
Beijing (Daxing)- Daily. 777-300ER replaces 787-9
Boston - Reduced from 25 Weekly to 2 x Daily.
BA213/BA212 - Daily. 787-9 replaces 747-400
BA215/BA214 - A350-1000XWB replaces 4 Class 777-200ER

Buenos Aires - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. 3 Class 777-200ER replaced by 787-8
Cape Town - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. 747-400 replaced by 777-300ER.
Chennai - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly 787-8/787-9 (First cabin sold as CW on 787-9)
Chicago - 2 x Daily
BA295/BA294 - 747-400 replaced by 787-9
BA297/BA296 - 4 Class 777-200ER replaced by 787-9 until 12DEC20, 3 Class (Club Suite) 777-200ER from 13DEC20

Dallas - Daily. 747-400 replaced by 787-9 until 02FEB21, 787-10 from 03FEB21
Damman - Daily operating via Bahrain suspended for W20
Delhi - 2 x Daily
BA143/BA142 - 787-8 replaced by 787-9
BA257/BA256 - 4 Class 777-200ER replaced by 3 Class 777-200ER

Denver - Daily. 747-400 replaced by 787-9
Doha - Daily. 787-9 operates
Dubai - Reduced from 3 to 2 x Daily
BA105/BA104 - 4 Class 777-200ER replaced by 787-9
BA107/BA106 - 3 Class 777-200ER replaced by 4-class aircraft until 31DEC20, 787-9 from 01JAN21

Durban - 3 x Weekly suspended for W20
Grand Cayman via Nassau - 4 x Weekly. 3 Class 777-200ER operates
Hong Kong - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. 777-300ER operates.
Houston - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. 4 Class 777-200ER operates.
Hyderabad - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. 787-8 operates
Islamabad - Increased from 3 x Weekly to Daily. 787-8 operates
Jeddah - 5 x Weekly suspended for W20
Johannesburg - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. A380 operates.
Kuala Lumpur - Daily. 787-8 replaces by 787-9
Kuwait - Daily. 4 Class 777-200ER operates
Lagos - Daily. 4 Class (Club Suite) 777-200ER replaces 747-400
Las Vegas - Daily. 3 Class 777-200ER replaces 747-400
Los Angeles - Reduced from 3 x Daily to 11 x Weekly
BA269/BA268 - Daily. A380 operates
BA281/BA280 - 4 x Weekly. 777-300ER replaces 787-9

Male - NEW service initially operates 3 x Weekly before increasing to 4 x Weekly from 05DEC20. 777-300ER with Club Suites operates.
Mexico City - 5 x Weekly. 787-9 operates
Miami - Reduced from 3 to 2 x Daily
BA207/BA206 - 747-400 replaced by A380
BA209/BA208 - 747-400 replaced by 4 Class 777-200ER until 31DEC20, 787-10 from 01JAN20

Montreal - Reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly until 06JAN21, 5 x Weekly from 07JAN21. 787-8 operates
Mumbai - Reduced from 3 to 2 x Daily
BA139/BA138 - 777-200ER replaced by 787-8
BA199/BA198 - 777-200ER replaces by 6 x Weekly 787-9, 1 x Weekly 787-8

Muscat - Reduced from 4 to 3 x Weekly. 787-8/787-9 operates
Nairobi - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. 4 Class 777-200ER operates.
Nashville - Reduced from 5 to 4 x Weekly. 787-8 operates
Newark - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. 787-9 operates until 30NOV20, 787-10 from 01DEC20
New Orleans - Reduced from 5 to 4 x Weekly. 787-8 operates
New York (JFK) - Reduced from 8 to 6 x Daily. 777-200ER operates
Orlando - NEW Daily service. 3 Class 777-200ER with Club Suites operates.
Osaka - 3 x Weekly suspended for W20
Philadelphia - Reduced from 12 x Weekly to Daily. A350-1000XWB replaces 747-400/787.
Phoenix - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly until 31DEC20, returns to Daily from 01JAN21
Pittsburgh - 4 x Weekly suspended for W20
Rio de Janiero - Reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly. 787-8 operates
Riyadh - Daily. 4 Class 777-200ER replaces 747
San Diego - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. 787-9 replaces 747-400
San Francisco - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. 777-300ER operates
San Jose - Reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly. 787-9 operates
Santiago de Chile - Reduced from 5 to 4 x Weekly. 787-9 operates
Sao Paulo - Daily. 777-300ER operates
Seattle - Reduced from 10 x Weekly to Daily. 787-10 replaces 4 Class 777-200ER
Seoul - Reduced from Daily to 5 x Weekly. 787-8 operates
Seychelles - 2 x Weekly. 787-9 operates
Shanghai - Reduced from 10 x Weekly to Daily. 3 Class 777-200ER operates
Singapore - Daily, 777-300ER replaces A380
Singapore/Sydney - Suspended until 14DEC20, Daily 777-300ER from 15DEC20
Tel Aviv - 2 x Daily
BA163/BA162 - 787-9 replaces 3 Class 777-200ER
BA165/BA164 - 4 Class 777-200ER operates

Tokyo Haneda - 2 x Daily. First product will no longer be offered
BA005/BA006 - Daily 787-9 (First sold as CW)
BA007/BA008 - Daily A350-1000XWB replaces 777-300ER.

Toronto - 2 x Daily. First product will no longer be offered
BA093/BA092 - Daily 787-8 replaced by 5 x Weekly 787-10 and 2 x Weekly 787-9 until 29DEC20, Daily 787-10 from 30DEC20. (First Cabin Sold as CW on both 787-9 & 787-10)
BA099/BA098 - 787-8 replaced by 787-9 (First Cabin sold as CW)

Vancouver - Daily. 4 Class 777-200ER replace 747-400
Washington - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. A350-1000XWB operates
London Gatwick
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Barbados - Reduced from 13 x Weekly to Daily.
Bermuda - 5 x Weekly.
Cancun - 5 to 6 x Weekly.
Cape Town - Winter Seasonal Service will not operate W20
Grenada via St Lucia - 2 x Weekly
Kingston - 3 x Weekly.
Las Vegas - 3 x Weekly Suspended W20
Mauritius - 3 x Weekly
Montego Bay - NEW 2 x Weekly.
New York (JFK) - Daily service Suspended W20
Orlando - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily. Further reduces to 3 x Weekly from 21NOV20.
Port Of Spain via St Lucia - 5 x Weekly
Providenciales via Antigua - 2 x Weekly
Punta Cana - 3 to 4 x Weekly
Saint Kitts via Antigua - 2 x Weekly
San Jose (Costa Rica) - 2 to 3 x Weekly
Tampa - 6 x Weekly.
Tobago via Antigua - 2 x Weekly
Further changes are highly likely between now at start of W20 schedule on 25th October
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Old Aug 5, 20, 3:27 pm
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W20/21 Longhaul Changes
BA have started to make changes to there Longhaul schedule. Below is details of the planned schedule to North America from LHR for the W20/21 schedule

Atlanta - Frequency reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly 787-9
Austin - 5 of 7 weekly operated by A350-1000XWB, replacing 777-300ER Baltimore - Frequency reduced from Daily to 4 x Weekly 787-9/787-8

Boston - Frequency reduced from 25 to 14 weekly, 4 weekly BA203/202 and 1 daily BA239/238 cancelled. Planned aircraft changes as of 04AUG20 unchanged:
BA213/212 - 787-9 replaces 747-400
BA215/214 - A350-1000XWB replaces 777-200

Chicago - Will operate 2 x Daily
BA295/294 787-9 replaces 747-400
BA297/296 3-class 777-200ER replaces 4-class 777-200ER

Dallas Fort Worth - 787-9 replaces 747-400, 1 daily
Denver - 787-9 replaces 747-400, 1 daily
Houston - Frequency reduced from 2 to 1 Daily. BA197/196 cancelled. 4-class 777-200ER operating
Las Vegas - 3-class 777-200ER replaces 747-400, 1 daily (Planned A380 service 02JAN21 – 10JAN21 for CES also cancelled)

Los Angeles- Still planned to operate 3 x Daily
BA281/280 4 of 7 weekly operated by new 4-class 777-300ER, instead of 787-9
BA269/268 continues to display 1 daily A380
BA283/282 continues to display 1 daily 747-400

Miami - Reduce from 3 to 2 daily, BA211/210 cancelled.
BA207/206 A380 replaces 747-400
BA209/208 777-200ER replaces 747-400

Montreal - Frequency reduced from 7 to 4 weekly, 787-8 operating
Nashville - Frequency reduced from 5 to 4 weekly, 787-8 operating
Newark - Frequency reduced from 2 to 1 daily, BA189/188 cancelled. 787-10 replaces -9 from 01DEC20 on BA185/184
New Orleans - Frequency reduced from 5 to 4 weekly, 787-8 operating

New York(JFK) - Frequency reduced from 8 to 6 daily,
BA179/182 and BA183/178 cancelled. All flights operated by 777-200ER (majority with new 4-class aircraft)

Orlando - New Daily service operated using a 3 Class 777-200ER
Philadelphia - Frequency reduced from 12 to 7 weekly, A350-1000XWB replaces 747-400 and 787-9
Phoenix - Frequency reduced from Daily to 5 weekly, 787-9 operating
Pittsburgh - Operates 4 Weekly 787-8
San Diego - Frequency reduced from Daily to 5 Weekly. 787-9 replaces 747-400

San Francisco - Continues to operate 2 Daily
BA285/284 777-300ER replaces 747-400
BA287/286 continues to display A380/777-200ER

San Jose (CA) - 787-9 Operates Daily
Seattle - BA049/048 787-10 replaces 777-200ER, 1 daily (BA053/052 3 weekly 777-200ER)

Toronto - Planned to operate 2 Daily
BA093/092 787-8 replaced by 5 weekly 787-10 and 2 weekly 787-9
BA099/098 787-9 replaces -8

Vancouver - 4 Class 777-200ER replaces 747
Washington - Reduced from 2 to 1 x Daily A350-1000XWB

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...00gmt-05aug20/
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Old Aug 5, 20, 3:29 pm
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Thanks for starting this thread Scotflyer80

It was getting messy with so many people starting threads for cancellations/route changes which were just the usual winter adjustments
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Old Aug 5, 20, 3:35 pm
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This is far more than I was expecting, particularly some of the newer routes like New Orleans and Nashville
I hope demand returns but this seems very punchy, or am I a pessimist?
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Old Aug 5, 20, 3:38 pm
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I’m surprised to see San Jose continue daily...
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Old Aug 5, 20, 3:44 pm
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At the risk of stating the obvious, this represents BA's "best case scenario" or even above BA's best case scenario but what they are already certain that they can cancel. I think that the odds that this is the final intercontinental programme for the winter season are anywhere between very low and zero, but this gives an interesting indication of what is already so weak that it can be sacrificed several months ahead of time.
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Old Aug 5, 20, 4:08 pm
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7 daily to NYC (6 to JFK, 1 to EWR) sounds ambitious - and downright impossible if the border restrictions remain in place
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Old Aug 5, 20, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Scotflyer80 View Post
BA have started to make changes to there Longhaul schedule. Below is details of the planned schedule to North America from LHR for the W20/21 schedule

Phoenix - Frequency reduced from Daily to 5 weekly, 787-9 operating


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...00gmt-05aug20/
Would be interested to know which days of the week they plan to fly, to see if it matches the days I am supposed to fly.
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Old Aug 5, 20, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by BXK_Oz View Post
Would be interested to know which days of the week they plan to fly, to see if it matches the days I am supposed to fly.
According to Expertflyer it's Sun, Tues, Wed, Fri and Sat.
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Old Aug 5, 20, 5:34 pm
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According to Expertflyer it's Sun, Tues, Wed, Fri and Sat.
Thank you, if I get to fly (still have my fingers crossed), this works out for me. Supposed to fly to LHR on Tues and return the following Wed. Again, appreciate the information.
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Old Aug 5, 20, 5:39 pm
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Thank you, if I get to fly (still have my fingers crossed), this works out for me. Supposed to fly to LHR on Tues and return the following Wed. Again, appreciate the information.
Hope it all works out and fingers crossed for you but in these crazy times who knows what even the next few weeks holds!
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787-9's everywhere. Have the engine issues finally been completed? I hope Canada can finally drop the quarantine on return by 2021 because I like that mix on LHR - YYZ
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Will be curiously watching to see if any changes to Mexico City. Thanks for sharing
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Old Aug 5, 20, 6:02 pm
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Will be curiously watching to see if any changes to Mexico City. Thanks for sharing
No changes for now. Just the usual 5 weekly 787-9 during winter season.
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According to Expertflyer it's Sun, Tues, Wed, Fri and Sat.
looks like my suspicions of SAN going to 5x weekly yesterday were correct. They are ditching the Tuesday and Saturday flights, so at least if I have to travel on those days, I can route via PHX as LAX is out with no puddle jump flights down to SAN.
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Old Aug 5, 20, 11:12 pm
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No changes for now. Just the usual 5 weekly 787-9 during winter season.
Yeh, the only thing I have noted is my December departure came forward 5 minutes from 9pm to 8.55pm. Asides from that it seems they'll be operating the normal schedule. They haven't operated since April on the route, except from cargo and a random oneoff in the middle of July which was selling at 2.2k USD for an economy seat despite being near to empty. I'd hazard a guess they'll drop most of Sep, but if the Heathrow testing system comes in and rules are relaxed slightly then it may flow more smoothly from Oct onwards. Simple reality is nobody really knows.

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