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British Airways pilots accept pay cuts, job losses negotiated by union

Old Aug 1, 20, 1:41 am
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British Airways pilots accept pay cuts, job losses negotiated by union

As per the title, reported this morning on Reuters and BBC news:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKCN24W327
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53617882
British Airways pilots have voted to accept a deal that will temporarily cut pay by 20% and eliminate 270 jobs, says the pilots' union Balpa.
The deal prevents a controversial "fire and rehire" scheme where staff would have been handed new contracts "on worse conditions".
The 20% pay cuts will reduce to 8% over two years and to zero in the long term.
The ballot result saw 85% of members accept the deal on an 87% turnout.
"Our members have made a pragmatic decision in the circumstances but the fact that we were unable to persuade BA to avoid all compulsory redundancies is bitterly disappointing," said Balpa general secretary Brian Strutton in a statement.
I can imagine it will be difficult for many to take a 20% pay cut but under the circumstances it would appear to be good news that an agreement has been reached.
Certainly wishing well to all of the BA pilots affected.
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Old Aug 1, 20, 3:38 am
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I think this is a good example of both parties working together as these times are tougher than ever (to no fault of the industry too!)

Unite should get onboard and try to reach agreements rather than threaten strike action on the assumption that the government will bail BA out!
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Old Aug 1, 20, 5:05 am
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A good, pragmatic outcome to a degree. But I've read a few reports from BA pilots on twitter that BA refused to mitigate the 270 compulsory losses against VR and early retirement. Bizzarly, they've got rid of some people who wanted to stay and forced some people to stay, who don't.
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Originally Posted by Keiran Newberry View Post
A good, pragmatic outcome to a degree. But I've read a few reports from BA pilots on twitter that BA refused to mitigate the 270 compulsory losses against VR and early retirement. Bizzarly, they've got rid of some people who wanted to stay and forced some people to stay, who don't.
‘forced’???

Come off it. I think what you mean is they haven’t offered as generous a severance package as some wanted.
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Old Aug 1, 20, 5:23 am
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‘forced’???

Come off it. I think what you mean is they haven’t offered as generous a severance package as some wanted.
If it means they can't afford to go, it does force them to stay
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Old Aug 1, 20, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by Keiran Newberry View Post
If it means they can't afford to go, it does force them to stay
We clearly disagree.

It doesn’t force anyone to do anything and, IMHO, the default setting of ‘entitlement to something’ is completely outdated.
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Old Aug 1, 20, 5:34 am
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and on the same day the BA ‘Director of People’ leaves....
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Old Aug 1, 20, 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by crazy8534 View Post
As per the title, reported this morning on Reuters and BBC news:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKCN24W327
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53617882
I can imagine it will be difficult for many to take a 20% pay cut but under the circumstances it would appear to be good news that an agreement has been reached.
Certainly wishing well to all of the BA pilots affected.
Depends in your salary and likely opportunities to be rehired.

If you’re on £100k, 20% reduction net of tax etc. isn’t too bad to keep your job
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And STILL the clowns at Unite on their own 6 figure salaries petulantly refuse to sit at the table hanging their poor members out to dry while still taking those monthly subs.
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Originally Posted by gw76 View Post
and on the same day the BA ‘Director of People’ leaves....
Krispy84 perhaps you should apply? 🙄
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Old Aug 1, 20, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by gw76 View Post
and on the same day the BA ‘Director of People’ leaves....
Stuart Kennedy has left?
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Old Aug 1, 20, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by 1Aturnleft View Post
Krispy84 perhaps you should apply? 🙄
No need for a snide dig. If you don’t agree with something I’ve said, please come out and say so.
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Old Aug 1, 20, 7:38 am
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Originally Posted by TWCLAM View Post
And STILL the clowns at Unite on their own 6 figure salaries petulantly refuse to sit at the table hanging their poor members out to dry while still taking those monthly subs.
Unite are currently in intense negotiations with BA. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your narrative.
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Old Aug 1, 20, 7:51 am
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Originally Posted by krispy84 View Post
‘forced’???

Come off it. I think what you mean is they haven’t offered as generous a severance package as some wanted.
A number of colleagues have put in for VR and had it denied. Whether this is permanently or only temporarily remains to be seen.

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Old Aug 1, 20, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by Skimo View Post
Unite are currently in intense negotiations with BA. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your narrative.
And have been for 2 weeks.
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