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Old Jul 17, 2020, 12:26 pm
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With the sad news from Waterside marking an immediate end of life for the venerable Boeing 747-400, our eyes will be on our bookings as we await news of exactly which replacement aircraft type will take us to our destinations.

Listed below are the routes the 744 served in pre COVID times. Please add notes of replacement aircraft as and when the updates trickle through.

Accra
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER

Austin
Sep: no service

Bahrain
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER

Boston
Sep: 2x daily 777-200ER/A350-1000

Cape Town
Sep: 3x weekly 777-300ER

Chicago
Sep: 2x daily 787-9/A350-1000

Dallas Fort Worth
Sep: 1x daily 787-10

Denver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Feb 21: 1 x daily 787-9

Dubai
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000

Houston
Sep: 5x weekly 777-200ER

Johannesburg
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER

Kuwait City
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER

Lagos
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER

Las Vegas
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER (3 class)

Los Angeles
Sep: 2x daily 787-9

Miami
Sep: 1x daily 787-9

Nairobi
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER

New York JFK
Sep: 4x daily 777-200ER

Philadelphia
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Oct onwards: 1x daily A350-1000

Riyadh
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER

San Diego
Sep: no service

San Jose, Ca
Sep: no service
October 24th onwards 1x daily 787-9

San Francisco
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER

Seattle
Sep: 1x daily 787-10

Vancouver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER

Washington Dulles
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Jun 21: BA217/6 787-9










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Old Jul 17, 2020, 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by stampcollector
With it currently looking like there may be a bounceback 'v-shaped graph' economically wise, what would happen if BA dumped the 747 then discovered they were short of aircraft?

you mean increased demand for decreased seats ?

hmmmmm vastly increased prices and vastly reduced reward availability would be my guess

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Old Jul 17, 2020, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter
Even if there is a v shaped recovery - and that is a big if - travel is likely to be one of the slowest recovery sectors. Businesses will be apprehensive, and have found that online working is finally viable.
Three businesses I am working with at the moment have all (independently of each other) decided that all travel for business is to be curtailed for the foreseeable future. Basically all client contact is to be vi Zoom / Teams as are 100% all meetings between their staff based at different locations. Only totally essential travel is to be permitted (I know all travel should really be essential) and has to be signed by the MD. Examples of travel deemed essential are when a system we have supplied requires hands-on installation (into racks at a client site and lots of wiring etc), a service visit when the fault cannpot be diagnosed remotely or when a large contract needs negotiating and our direct presence is deemed essential to close the deal.

The key reason for this policy is not so much the cost savings (which are certainly significant) but more the H&S angle now that Covid is reportable under RIDDOR regulations. Since this happened there is an onus on the employer being responsible and liable if an employee contracts Covid in the workplace....which includes travel on company business.

Business travel is going to take a long, long time to return to anything like 2019 levels, if ever.
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Old Jul 17, 2020, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by gliderpilot
Well it used to be a 777 until a few years ago.
And a 3 class one at that.
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Old Jul 17, 2020, 4:33 pm
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The OP might want to be updated to add Austin TX as a location that had been served by a 747, I had been booked on one in the UD for a May flight before things went to hell. I'm now schedule on a A351, originally was to be this September but now May 2021.
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Old Jul 17, 2020, 5:48 pm
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I think JFK will get a mix of 777-200/300. They will have the best configurations for the route. A boring replacement I must say though.
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Old Jul 17, 2020, 8:57 pm
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OP, one more for the 747 destinations: SJC. Currently canceled through 8/31, we’ll see if it even sticks around,
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 1:14 am
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For Cape Town from October to March would one A380 Flight a day make sense? I believe CPT can handle them now?
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 1:34 am
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Originally Posted by Young82
For Cape Town from October to March would one A380 Flight a day make sense? I believe CPT can handle them now?
An A380 on that route would be great but I do not think the airport
can handle yet.

https://ewn.co.za/2019/09/11/r7bn-se...tional-airport
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 3:30 am
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What's chances of SAN getting 787-10? or maybe A350 to LAX? As i understand there's a need for a crew rest area on them routes.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 3:38 am
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We are all awaiting the fleet plan right now in order to be able to bid for whatever seats are going (pilots). As yet it has been more watertight than a duck’s behind. No doubt it will leak via the media and frequent flyer blog sites prior to any actual staff whom it affects knowing anything whatsoever. Par for the course at BA these days.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 3:41 am
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Originally Posted by pc32435
What's chances of SAN getting 787-10? or maybe A350 to LAX? As i understand there's a need for a crew rest area on them routes.
I can’t see LAX getting A350 and losing F, but who knows in these strange times! Thought 781 furthest was going to be SEA
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 3:59 am
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I'm no expert of course, but I would think that a lot of the long term capacity reduction like the 30% people are talking about could be met by reducing multiple daily frequencies with one flight a day? So having fewer aircraft available wouldn't be an issue in that circumstance.
Of course that doesn't take the Heathrow slot situation in to consideration - it'l be interesting how that pans out.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by camdentown
I'm no expert of course, but I would think that a lot of the long term capacity reduction like the 30% people are talking about could be met by reducing multiple daily frequencies with one flight a day? So having fewer aircraft available wouldn't be an issue in that circumstance.
Of course that doesn't take the Heathrow slot situation in to consideration - it'l be interesting how that pans out.
A hit and miss strategy depending on markets, but we will see it for some, I am sure. With flights from the US from key cities further west, it's an issue of needing to cover not just traffic but different needs. If I am flying from Cali, or even frankly ORD, I need an earlier flight for when I have to make a connection and a later one for when I need to spend the whole day in the US. Consolidation might force me to look elsewhere, something I am increasingly comfortable doing given some of BA's behaviors in the lst few months.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by pc32435
What's chances of SAN getting 787-10? or maybe A350 to LAX? As i understand there's a need for a crew rest area on them routes.
I think since the 787-10 doesn't have a crew rest area, it won't be used on US west coast routes like LAX, SFO, LAS & SAN (SEA excluded since its far up north and a shorter by great circle distance). Don't think the A35K would be used since it doesn't have a First cabin but who knows, it does have a substantial number of J seats. I think SAN could go 772, since the new 77W hi-J config may not have enough economy seats.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 11:14 am
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My guide from the other thread is probably useful in seeing what aircraft is the best replacement:



I have summarised the bunk information here, putting in brackets whether it is planned to be a 3 or 4 class aircraft.

With Crew Bunks:

A350 (3)
A380 (4)
777-200 (G-YMM*) (3)
777-300 (4)
787-8 (3)
787-9 (4)

Without Crew Bunks:

777-200 (G-VII*) (4)
787-10 (4)
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