Details of BAs crew wage proposal
Finally some concrete details on what BA is proposing for the new single fleet cabin crew package:
https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/0...r-mixed-fleet/Cabin crew: Total target earnings: £28,000 Comprising:
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Just to clarify, this is the second set of proposals, and is significantly improved from the original proposal. It still means permanent changes to T&Cs and scheduling agreements. These figures include payments that would be considered as expenses , and are based on the highest paying trips. Real life earning will be significantly less.
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But if Mixed Fleet actually get a rise then this is very good news.
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Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 32469308)
Finally some concrete details on what BA is proposing for the new single fleet cabin crew package:
https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/0...r-mixed-fleet/Cabin crew: Total target earnings: £28,000 Comprising:
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Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 32469343)
Still not that different from current MF pay. Assume £4k of duty pay/ £4k per diem (neither of which well explained), flex allowance is stuff like childcare vouchers etc, incentive is the 'bonus' which this year, despite a £1.9bn operating profit, no one in BA got... you get something in the region of £25k. Which is more or less what my OH gets as her P60 (main crew). But, hey, better than the previous one, and there's also VR. The TUs strategy isn't that useless after all.
The flex allowance is not earnings, it is part of the pension, so not sure why they are quoting that. Basically it is a flexible part of the pension that you can use for dental treatment, child care or put into your pension. Overall though it is an improvement on the first figures quoted. |
Originally Posted by Littlegirl
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The flex allowance is not earnings, it is part of the pension, so not sure why they are quoting that. Basically it is a flexible part of the pension that you can use for dental treatment, child care or put into your pension.
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Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 32469343)
Still not that different from current MF pay. Assume £4k of duty pay/ £4k per diem (neither of which well explained), flex allowance is stuff like childcare vouchers etc, incentive is the 'bonus' which this year, despite a £1.9bn operating profit, no one in BA got... you get something in the region of £25k. Which is more or less what my OH gets as her P60 (main crew). But, hey, better than the previous one, and there's also VR. The TUs strategy isn't that useless after all.
25k is around average earnings in the UK, so clearly plenty of people do manage to live on this sort of salary but individual choices will certainly have to be made. |
Originally Posted by V10
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Important points, I think. Certainly I'm not in favour of including payments intended to reimburse expenses incurred whilst on duty as part of target earnings, and a bonus is just that - no guarantees and really there's a lot of scope to move the goalposts. I don't particularly like the idea of crew making sacrifices whilst on the job, in order to retain more of that per diem for use in the general household budget.
25k is around average earnings in the UK, so clearly plenty of people do manage to live on this sort of salary but individual choices will certainly have to be made. |
I think it is somewhat disingenuous to include a 'per diem' payment as part of a remuneration package when it's actually to cover expenses when travelling on business. When I travel on business, which in normal times I do for about 4 months a year, any expenses incurred from the moment I leave home to the moment I return are reimbursed by my employer. They are nothing to do with my remuneration package at all.
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Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 32469308)
Finally some concrete details on what BA is proposing for the new single fleet cabin crew package:
https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/0...r-mixed-fleet/Cabin crew: Total target earnings: £28,000 Comprising:
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Originally Posted by 13901
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Before we get dragged in that discussion again, I don't dispute it's average earning in the UK, and I'm not saying it's high or low. I'm merely pointing out this offer isn't much different from what exists right now.
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Not for Mixed Fleet, but for World Wide and EuroFleet it is quite different, I would imagine?
This might have been covered before, but within WW or EF were there any opportunities for promotion to Purser/CSD/etc or was its a case of being 'stuck' where you were when the fleet closed? |
Absolutely no promotion.
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Originally Posted by BAeuro
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But if Mixed Fleet actually get a rise then this is very good news.
I wouldn't call that good news. |
How on earth are expenses/per dium's for time away from home to be considered salary/compensation package!???
I guess the a per dium is not included in PAYE, so no NI liability on that), but a high percentage/all of such payments go on what they are supposed to go on, and cannot be considered earnings. |
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