Details of BAs crew wage proposal
Jun 20, 2020, 10:07 am
#76
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I may have missed something in this and other threads, but I don't recall seeing mention of Gatwick crew. Are they involved in this at all? Are BA proposing a single pool of cabin (and flight deck?) crew covering both LHR and LGW?
Jun 20, 2020, 10:51 am
#77
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The other difference is that LGW is shrinking a lot more than LHR and therefore a lot more crew will be made redundant sadly..
They are offering VR as at LHR but I don’t know the details of that.
Jun 20, 2020, 11:31 am
#78
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https://twitter.com/GavNewlandsSNP/s...166789633?s=20
70% cut when proposed pay was £24k = Legacy crew earning £80,000
50% cut when proposed pay is £28k = Legacy crew earning £56,000
That quite a difference, why is there so much inaccurate information out there that the unions are using/promoting (BASSA shared this tweet)
70% cut when proposed pay was £24k = Legacy crew earning £80,000
50% cut when proposed pay is £28k = Legacy crew earning £56,000
That quite a difference, why is there so much inaccurate information out there that the unions are using/promoting (BASSA shared this tweet)
The maths are pretty simple to work out here, it isn't advanced differential calculus or anything. Someone is telling porkie pies.......
Jun 20, 2020, 2:51 pm
#79
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Well I wonder which is correct? These levels of salary for EF/WW crew are flatly, totally denied by CC in the media. Yet one of their own unions spouts figures of between "50% and 70% pay cuts" for them if they are forced on to the MF level of between £24k to £27k.
The maths are pretty simple to work out here, it isn't advanced differential calculus or anything. Someone is telling porkie pies.......
The maths are pretty simple to work out here, it isn't advanced differential calculus or anything. Someone is telling porkie pies.......
Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 pm
#80
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70% cut when proposed pay was £24k = Legacy crew earning £80,000
50% cut when proposed pay is £28k = Legacy crew earning £56,000
Which is it?
Jun 20, 2020, 3:42 pm
#83
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It’ll be sad to have no EF or WW crew continuing with BA, so much experience and passion lost. From what you guys are saying it seems like only an odd few will stay.
Jun 21, 2020, 12:44 am
#84
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Anyone else shocked that cabin crew only get £24k
Id always imagined they would get about £40k.
A supermarket delivery driver gets 24. That is truly shocking!
Id always imagined they would get about £40k.
A supermarket delivery driver gets 24. That is truly shocking!
Jun 21, 2020, 1:36 am
#85
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A nurse in the U.K. will start on 25k and rise to the cap of about 30k after around 5 years. That’s after doing a three year degree, taking on close to £50k of debt and working 12.5 hour shifts day and night in a hospital, quite literally saving lives. An extra £15k a year over a nurse’s starting salary for a job that needs no qualifications and takes six weeks to train to do? £40k would even be beating the first few years of a doctor’s career (which is another discussion entirely...)
I understand that that isn’t how money works in practice, and it can be useful to benchmark against other salaries, just be very careful. Most of the public would, I suspect, be staggered to learn that there are cabin crew earning far more than most of the NHS/police/fire service/military personnel.
Better argument would be to focus on how on earth someone can reasonably expect to live in London with a basic of £16K, no one will rent rose you based on that in the vicinity of Heathrow, let alone give you a mortgage.
Last edited by Rexan; Jun 21, 2020 at 1:52 am
Jun 21, 2020, 1:43 am
#86
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And even that is not guaranteed so if not rostered for flights which is not in their control then no chance of reaching that. Plus they have to pay for food down route which obviously can be pretty expensive in some countries. People will say that have to eat at home but how many people realistically eat out all the time on that income as well as paying rent etc..
Jun 21, 2020, 1:47 am
#87
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And even that is not guaranteed so if not rostered for flights which is not in their control then no chance of reaching that. Plus they have to pay for food down route which obviously can be pretty expensive in some countries. People will say that have to eat at home but how many people realistically eat out all the time on that income.
Jun 21, 2020, 2:01 am
#88
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Supermarket delivery drivers sadly don’t earn anything like that amount, £18k is far more likely given the pay is around £9.50 an hour and they clearly don’t get paid for breaks.
A nurse in the U.K. will start on 25k and rise to the cap of about 30k after around 5 years. That’s after doing a three year degree, taking on close to £50k of debt and working 12.5 hour shifts day and night in a hospital, quite literally saving lives. An extra £15k a year over a nurse’s starting salary for a job that needs no qualifications and takes six weeks to train to do? £40k would even be beating the first few years of a doctor’s career (which is another discussion entirely...)
I understand that that isn’t how money works in practice, and it can be useful to benchmark against other salaries, just be very careful. Most of the public would, I suspect, be staggered to learn that there are cabin crew earning far more than most of the NHS/police/fire service/military personnel.
Better argument would be to focus on how on earth someone can reasonably expect to live in London with a basic of £16K, no one will rent rose you based on that in the vicinity of Heathrow, let alone give you a mortgage.
A nurse in the U.K. will start on 25k and rise to the cap of about 30k after around 5 years. That’s after doing a three year degree, taking on close to £50k of debt and working 12.5 hour shifts day and night in a hospital, quite literally saving lives. An extra £15k a year over a nurse’s starting salary for a job that needs no qualifications and takes six weeks to train to do? £40k would even be beating the first few years of a doctor’s career (which is another discussion entirely...)
I understand that that isn’t how money works in practice, and it can be useful to benchmark against other salaries, just be very careful. Most of the public would, I suspect, be staggered to learn that there are cabin crew earning far more than most of the NHS/police/fire service/military personnel.
Better argument would be to focus on how on earth someone can reasonably expect to live in London with a basic of £16K, no one will rent rose you based on that in the vicinity of Heathrow, let alone give you a mortgage.
anybody who thinks cabin crew are on 40k, is completely out of touch with reality. 40K is a very good salary in the UK. Paramedics, for example save lives for a living, and don't get paid anywhere near 40k. I absolutely love BA cabin crew though
Jun 21, 2020, 2:59 am
#89
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OK so I was making a generalisation to stress the point that so many people think it’s all expenses paid jolly with a 4 star hotel and meals thrown in as opposed to in many cases membership of the pot noodle club simply to try and retain as much of their salary or any allowance as possible. Taking food from home assuming not falling foul of any import restrictions or a supermarket shop are always options that you can see becoming even more favourable given BA pushing per diem and tweaking / reducing duty/ flying hours as part of the OTE salary ‘increases’ for MF or decrease for WW/EUR. Guess crew should be happy they at least according BA get the major benefit of a free uniform to spill their pot noodles on .
Last edited by Bs65; Jun 21, 2020 at 3:06 am