COVID Friendly Catering Revealed By British Airways
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Sep 23, 20, 11:38 pm
#1456
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Originally Posted by JessicaB
To paraphrase. It's OK to make our highest spending customers' journey a little bit more dangerous and a lot more uncomfortable in order to make our staff's a little bit safer
3.5 The aircraft operator should:
make every effort to ensure that, in an aircraft which has more than one lavatory and provided the number of passengers carried aboard allows for it, a lavatory should be reserved for the exclusive use of the crew, preferably the one closest to the flight crew compartment.
So I guess Iberia crew are going by the guidelines and we should respect that.
Also interestingly regarding the Food situation...
Aircraft operators should reduce in-flight services to the minimum necessary to ensure passenger comfort and well-being and limit contact between cabin crew members and passengers, giving proper consideration to the duration of the flight. Among these measures, the following should be considered:
— No duty free or other non-essential product sales on board.
— Reduced food and beverage service. Alcoholic drinks should be avoided.
— Preference for pre-packed and sealed food and drink products, such as canned drinks.
— Wherever possible, payment involving touch or contact, such as cash payments, should be avoided to mitigate the potential transmission risk between cabin crew members and passengers.
I don't think there is any doubt regarding the current (poor) BA offering but found the above interesting.
Sep 24, 20, 12:43 am
#1457
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Originally Posted by BAflyer2007
Even before Covid things were interesting with 1 Toilet between 8 on the 787 etc Anyway I've looked into regulations around this and found this from the European Union Aviation Safety Agency dated 30th June.
3.5 The aircraft operator should:
make every effort to ensure that, in an aircraft which has more than one lavatory and provided the number of passengers carried aboard allows for it, a lavatory should be reserved for the exclusive use of the crew, preferably the one closest to the flight crew compartment.
So I guess Iberia crew are going by the guidelines and we should respect that.
Also interestingly regarding the Food situation...
Aircraft operators should reduce in-flight services to the minimum necessary to ensure passenger comfort and well-being and limit contact between cabin crew members and passengers, giving proper consideration to the duration of the flight. Among these measures, the following should be considered:
— No duty free or other non-essential product sales on board.
— Reduced food and beverage service. Alcoholic drinks should be avoided.
— Preference for pre-packed and sealed food and drink products, such as canned drinks.
— Wherever possible, payment involving touch or contact, such as cash payments, should be avoided to mitigate the potential transmission risk between cabin crew members and passengers.
I don't think there is any doubt regarding the current (poor) BA offering but found the above interesting.
3.5 The aircraft operator should:
make every effort to ensure that, in an aircraft which has more than one lavatory and provided the number of passengers carried aboard allows for it, a lavatory should be reserved for the exclusive use of the crew, preferably the one closest to the flight crew compartment.
So I guess Iberia crew are going by the guidelines and we should respect that.
Also interestingly regarding the Food situation...
Aircraft operators should reduce in-flight services to the minimum necessary to ensure passenger comfort and well-being and limit contact between cabin crew members and passengers, giving proper consideration to the duration of the flight. Among these measures, the following should be considered:
— No duty free or other non-essential product sales on board.
— Reduced food and beverage service. Alcoholic drinks should be avoided.
— Preference for pre-packed and sealed food and drink products, such as canned drinks.
— Wherever possible, payment involving touch or contact, such as cash payments, should be avoided to mitigate the potential transmission risk between cabin crew members and passengers.
I don't think there is any doubt regarding the current (poor) BA offering but found the above interesting.
Sep 24, 20, 1:03 am
#1458
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Originally Posted by lost_in_translation
This guidance is now, frankly, inadequate, which is part of the problem here. It should be updated with a heirachy of how important each of these measures is.
Sep 24, 20, 1:19 am
#1459
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Originally Posted by lost_in_translation
This guidance is now, frankly, inadequate, which is part of the problem here. It should be updated with a heirachy of how important each of these measures is. There is masses of scientific evidence that the key way COVID-19 spreads is airborne transmission due to close proximity between two people. Whilst surface transmission is possible, it is at most a minor and most theoretical way that COVID-19 could be spread. The key thing is minimising contact between people where possible, what matters is how many times crew interact with passengers, whether they are wearing a mask and how close passengers are to each other, not if the crew member has heated your meal or not. But of course, airlines such as BA are never willingly going to reduce passenger numbers on a flight to facilitate this and nor do they appear willing to scrap J class at the moment because service itself could be an issue, so we get this pointless security theatre that makes some people feel better but doesn’t really achieve much instead.
Are you aware of any airlines that have chosen to reduce passenger numbers on all their aircraft as a specific policy to facilitate social distancing?
Sep 24, 20, 1:29 am
#1460
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
If what you say is true, why are virologists and epidemiologists the world-over emphasising hand washing as a major activity in fighting the virus? Do you have any scientific sources to share with us that supports your assertion?
Are you aware of any airlines that have chosen to reduce passenger numbers on all their aircraft as a specific policy to facilitate social distancing?
Are you aware of any airlines that have chosen to reduce passenger numbers on all their aircraft as a specific policy to facilitate social distancing?
I’m on my phone about to board, but a quick 5 second Google throws up this Lancet comment as the top result, for example - https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journ...20)30561-2.pdf
Sep 24, 20, 1:45 am
#1461
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Here is the WHO’s summary - https://www.who.int/news-room/commen...on-precautions
“Despite consistent evidence as to SARS-CoV-2 contamination of surfaces and the survival of the virus on certain surfaces, there are no specific reports which have directly demonstrated fomite transmission. People who come into contact with potentially infectious surfaces often also have close contact with the infectious person, making the distinction between respiratory droplet and fomite transmission difficult to discern. However, fomite transmission is considered a likely mode of transmission for SARS-CoV-2, given consistent findings about environmental contamination in the vicinity of infected cases and the fact that other coronaviruses and respiratory viruses can transmit this way.”
Similarly the CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...d-spreads.html
Here is a Time article summarising things a bit more bluntly - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/time....ls/%3famp=true
“Despite consistent evidence as to SARS-CoV-2 contamination of surfaces and the survival of the virus on certain surfaces, there are no specific reports which have directly demonstrated fomite transmission. People who come into contact with potentially infectious surfaces often also have close contact with the infectious person, making the distinction between respiratory droplet and fomite transmission difficult to discern. However, fomite transmission is considered a likely mode of transmission for SARS-CoV-2, given consistent findings about environmental contamination in the vicinity of infected cases and the fact that other coronaviruses and respiratory viruses can transmit this way.”
Similarly the CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...d-spreads.html
Here is a Time article summarising things a bit more bluntly - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/time....ls/%3famp=true
Sep 24, 20, 2:37 am
#1462
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Originally Posted by lost_in_translation
This guidance is now, frankly, inadequate, which is part of the problem here. It should be updated with a heirachy of how important each of these measures is. There is masses of scientific evidence that the key way COVID-19 spreads is airborne transmission due to close proximity between two people. Whilst surface transmission is possible, it is at most a minor and most theoretical way that COVID-19 could be spread. The key thing is minimising contact between people where possible, what matters is how many times crew interact with passengers, whether they are wearing a mask and how close passengers are to each other, not if the crew member has heated your meal or not. But of course, airlines such as BA are never willingly going to reduce passenger numbers on a flight to facilitate this and nor do they appear willing to scrap J class at the moment because service itself could be an issue, so we get this pointless security theatre that makes some people feel better but doesn’t really achieve much instead.
Sep 24, 20, 2:45 am
#1463
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Originally Posted by JessicaB
To paraphrase. It's OK to make our highest spending customers' journey a little bit more dangerous and a lot more uncomfortable in order to make our staff's a little bit safer
Clearly, the average cabin crew member comes into close physical contact with more people than the typical business pax. It's just part of their job. Dentists, barbers, massage therapists, wait staff, nurse for the elderly etc. are in a similar situation.
There is an argument to be made it's particularly important to mitigate the risks for these types of employees. Because, a few days down the road, due to the nature of their work, they could potentially infect dozens or even hundreds of other people. It's not like it hasn't happened before.
Sorry to say, but from your last posts on short-haul C service in covid-19 times, you come across as very egoistical with little concern for people you interact with or for society as a whole.
Sep 24, 20, 3:21 am
#1464
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Are BA closing off a loo for exclusive crew (flight/cabin) use?
Sep 24, 20, 3:27 am
#1465
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
Are you aware of any airlines that have chosen to reduce passenger numbers on all their aircraft as a specific policy to facilitate social distancing?
The thing about this approach is that it does not create 1m+/2m social distance. Just 0.5m laterally and nothing at all in front and behind. Overall fewer people in the aircraft cabin would reduce the chances of being in contact with a COVID carrier, I suppose.
Sep 24, 20, 4:10 am
#1466
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Originally Posted by 13901
Are BA closing off a loo for exclusive crew (flight/cabin) use?
Sep 24, 20, 6:42 am
#1467
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Flew from St Lucia last night in F and had the same food as post #1424 above. Really dreadful so much so I asked that the crew save one meal and see in Alex Cruz would be prepared to eat it. The breakfast choc croissant wouldn’t have been fresh it they had served it 11 days ago on our unbound flight. Cabin Manager came over for a chat and stated the normal food service was resuming mid October. I said it was the whole experience, BA not using the lounge even though it was open and PP or payment of 50 Dollars would get you in. No offer of vouchers the fact that when you finally did get on board you were offered a bottle of water which had been on an aircraft stood in 32 deg Celsius and was hot!. Covid aside this is not good enough
Sep 24, 20, 6:48 am
#1468
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Originally Posted by PJSMITH0
Cabin Manager came over for a chat and stated the normal food service was resuming mid October
Sep 24, 20, 7:06 am
#1469
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Daughter no 2 went to one of the "in your car" party/pub in the park events recently.
Bought a Tom Kerridge 3 course "Meal in a Box.". UKP30.
She Said it was brilliant.
If they can do that at one of the in your car concert type things, the brains of BA could easily do it.
It appears that the Intern is in charge of BA catering.
Bought a Tom Kerridge 3 course "Meal in a Box.". UKP30.
She Said it was brilliant.
If they can do that at one of the in your car concert type things, the brains of BA could easily do it.
It appears that the Intern is in charge of BA catering.
Sep 24, 20, 7:22 am
#1470
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Originally Posted by PJSMITH0
<snip> Cabin Manager came over for a chat and stated the normal food service was resuming mid October.
Originally Posted by krispy84
Assuming not just galley FM, that is very encouraging news.
Regards
