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FAQ : BAEC : status extensions & Tier Point (re)qualification thresholds reduced

FAQ : BAEC : status extensions & Tier Point (re)qualification thresholds reduced

Old Jun 24, 20, 4:53 pm
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Do I have this right? The parts I'm confused by are some getting 2022 and 2023 cards with year beginnings the same as mine, as well as the point about only requalifying vs upgrading, if someone wouldn't mind checking my work.

My collection year started 09 Oct 2019 and ends 08 Oct. Until today, my gold expiry date was Nov 2020, now says Nov 2021. I earned 1155 before lockdown and have 580 booked for 01 July, all cancelled but one leg so I'm assuming I won't be able to fly it. So, I did not upgrade under normal or reduced TPs, I requalified for the status I already held if the discounted rate applies this year. I remain the same, I get no benefit from the extension. My car will still expire in 2021 and I must start collecting TPs again from 09 Nov this year

Junior00's collection year started 09 Aug 2019 and ends 08 Aug. Her silver expiry date still says Sept 2020 as of this evening. She earned 1125 this year and has the same 580 booked and cancelled. She should in the next few days have her silver extended to Sept 2021 and a later sweep will give her gold. She doesn't get the benefit and must start earning tier points from next month.

We also have 480 TPs booked inn Dec 2020 and I have a further 80 booked in March. We both need those for qualification, none are just LT TPs, so if I get the likely change/cancellation email between now and then and I can add in a segment or two, I should.

Is that all correct? If so, I'm in the same boat as TT1F (albeit at a lower level), yes? But not KARFA, because he earned his full complement of points before lockdown, he expires in 2022? And Junior will be in the same boat as Science Teacher at some point soon?
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Old Jun 24, 20, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Arsey00 View Post
And Junior will be in the same boat as Science Teacher at some point soon?
With 1,125 that is just the point at which Gold is awarded under the new thresholds, so, yes. I expect Junior00 to be awarded Gold soon.

(The email came through after the website updated for what it is worth!)
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Old Jun 24, 20, 5:24 pm
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I posted this in the other thread:

I have an interesting data point that Im hoping to get the resolution soon.

I have yet to fly BA metal, however with AS joining OW and restoring relations with AA, plus me needing to fly AA more due to network I figured getting BA Silver would do me good.

In July I was set to fly 4 BA flights for a total of 565 TPS, just enough to get me to BA Silver organically after I credited a short haul CX dragon to BAEC. My year also ends in July.

After all 4 flights got cancelled (3 BA metal + BA coded AA), I politely explained to them I was very excited to fly BA for the first time and obtain BA silver in the process, however with the flights being cancelled I would hope they could consider giving me Silver...
Finally got an email back today. As expected, no silver granted saying I only had 40 tier points fair enough. Although they referenced 600 tier points for silver not 450. Wont really fly until my blue -> gold trip anyways so no big loss, except for the handful of amount of Avios and free seat selection.
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Old Jun 24, 20, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
To put it simply, you will have had 12 months added on to whatever card expiry date you had.
Originally Posted by stephenjc View Post
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Then how would you explain these KARFA? Wouldn't 12 month extension mean that those who are yet to expire within 2020 (after BA's announcement on 11 June) be extended to 2021, not 2022?
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Old Jun 24, 20, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by carrotjuice View Post
Then how would you explain these KARFA? Wouldn't 12 month extension mean that those who are yet to expire within 2020 (after BA's announcement on 11 June) be extended to 2021, not 2022?
That is interesting and excellent. my wife is due to go Blue to Gold in 4 weeks of july and if its indeed granted until Nov 2022 it would be excellent news all around!
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Old Jun 24, 20, 10:02 pm
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Originally Posted by carrotjuice View Post
Then how would you explain these KARFA? Wouldn't 12 month extension mean that those who are yet to expire within 2020 (after BA's announcement on 11 June) be extended to 2021, not 2022?
Yes, unless as of June 11 your card expiry date was already something in 2021, on account of already achieving a higher tier level (at which point a new card is issued with an expiry date of "next TP reset date + 1 year + month") - as is certainly the case for stephenjc (based on the information in their post), and presumably the case for squawk (based on the most reasonable reading of their post).

The anecdotal evidence we have so far fairly consistently suggests that, at least at present, those who merely retain status through their TP collection from July 8th onwards do not benefit from the extension (only from the lower thresholds for their next TP year). That understanding may change. Or it may not. All we can do at present is speculate on possibilities and hope that by interpreting the BA text in a way that is most favorable, morphic resonance will do the rest. The July 8th TP year-end cohort are, in any case, our canaries in a cage - so throw them a few birdseed in the next couple of weeks so that they are fresh and vigorous when the day comes ..
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Old Jun 25, 20, 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by carrotjuice View Post
Then how would you explain these KARFA? Wouldn't 12 month extension mean that those who are yet to expire within 2020 (after BA's announcement on 11 June) be extended to 2021, not 2022?
Thank you to GinFizz who has replied. Both already had card expiry dates in 2021 due to upgrading in the current year.

It is explained here https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32476015-post1142.html
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Old Jun 25, 20, 3:54 am
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Now I’m confused again - carrotjuice’s post above has screenshots which are almost exactly aligned with my situation, but show different extension dates to 2022 (whereas mine was extended to 2021 only, even though I had renewed Gold already in this TP year and so was already due to be Gold until 2021). If those screenshots are accurate, then it’s pretty clear to me that different people with identical facts are getting different treatment. This is a mess.
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Old Jun 25, 20, 3:56 am
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Originally Posted by ratypus View Post
Now I’m confused again - carrotjuice’s post above has screenshots which are almost exactly aligned with my situation, but show different extension dates to 2022 (whereas mine was extended to 2021 only, even though I had renewed Gold already in this TP year and so was already due to be Gold until 2021). If those screenshots are accurate, then it’s pretty clear to me that different people with identical facts are getting different treatment. This is a mess.
Because there is a difference when you merely requalify/renew for the same status level in your current year (which you have) and where you have upgraded in the current year (the two screenshots). Different people with identical facts are not getting different treatment - the facts are not identical.

All explained here https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32476015-post1142.html
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Old Jun 25, 20, 4:04 am
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I see - so someone who was Silver (or lower) but hit 1500 TPs to qualify for Gold (for 1st time) in the current TP year is now Gold until 2022, but if I was already Gold and merely re-qualified in my current TP year then my extension is only until 2021, therefore no real extension at all.

If that explains it, fine. Seems deeply illogical, but there we go.

Presumably that also means that the reduced TP requirements for me apply during the 2020-21 TP year; so in essence for me nothing has changed at all other than for my next re-qualification in 20-21 the target is reduced by 25%.

As an observation - my travel budget has been slashed to zero for 2020 calendar year and - normally - I do a lot of travel in October/November of any given year (hence why I re-qualified for Gold by early-Jan in this TP year). I will therefore miss this seasonal calendar year bump in the 20-21 TP year and so - for that TP year - even the reduced TP threshold may not be enough to help. So by cutting the ‘extension’ this way for me, it looks like I’ll drop from near-GGL to Silver with no real allowance at all from BA for all the trips cancelled/deferred this year. I understand they have to cut it somewhere, but as a retention tool it’s not terribly effective.
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Old Jun 25, 20, 4:16 am
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Originally Posted by ratypus View Post
I see - so someone who was Silver (or lower) but hit 1500 TPs to qualify for Gold (for 1st time) in the current TP year is now Gold until 2022, but if I was already Gold and merely re-qualified in my current TP year then my extension is only until 2021, therefore no real extension at all.

If that explains it, fine. Seems deeply illogical, but there we go.

Presumably that also means that the reduced TP requirements for me apply during the 2020-21 TP year; so in essence for me nothing has changed at all other than for my next re-qualification in 20-21 the target is reduced by 25%.
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Yes, that's my reading of the situation as well. I think that the next data points will be to see what happens once at the end of June (when the May expiries / downgrades can be handled) and then again just after 8th July when the first round of year-ends comes round for those "extended" to 2021 when we will see if there is a further extension, plus we should see the lower thresholds coming through.
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Old Jun 25, 20, 5:27 am
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Has anybody who has a year end of 8 Jun 2021 yet had the expiry extended to 2022?
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Old Jun 25, 20, 5:35 am
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Originally Posted by af101 View Post
Has anybody who has a year end of 8 Jun 2021 yet had the expiry extended to 2022?
Please see #1338 upthread which explains all...
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Old Jun 25, 20, 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by af101 View Post
Has anybody who has a year end of 8 Jun 2021 yet had the expiry extended to 2022?
See Post #1338 ... probably not!
If your tier point year ends on 8th May or 8th June AND you have retained your status or upgraded your status in your previous membership year, your card expiry date will be extended on Monday 29th.

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Old Jun 25, 20, 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by Arsey00 View Post

Is that all correct? If so, I'm in the same boat as TT1F (albeit at a lower level), yes? But not KARFA, because he earned his full complement of points before lockdown, he expires in 2022? And Junior will be in the same boat as Science Teacher at some point soon?
Right. I thought I understood, but clearly I didn't. As of this morning Junior00 is still silver, but her expiry date has jumped from 2020 to 2022. She got the extra year without her account being "aware" she upgraded.

(i don't doubt that she will be upgraded in the next few days, this isnt a patience issue. Its just evidence that I still dont understand, despite having read the reference posts and the experiences of others umpteenzillion times.)
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