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New Routes

Heathrow - Antalya
Heathrow - Antigua
Heathrow - Barbados
Heathrow - Bermuda
~~Heathrow - Cancun~~ (Now Suspended)
~~Heathrow - Cluj-Napoca~~ (Cancelled before launch)
~~Heathrow - Gdańsk~~ (Cancelled before launch)
Heathrow - Lahore
Heathrow - Malé
Heathrow - Mauritius
~~Heathrow - Menorca~~ (Now Suspended)
Heathrow - Newquay
Heathrow - Nuremberg (begins 27th March 2022)
Heathrow - Orlando
Heathrow - Perugia (begins 27th June 2022)
Heathrow - Ponta Delgada (begins 2nd July 2022)
Heathrow - Portland (begins 3rd June 2022)
~~Heathrow - Riga~~ (Cancelled before launch)
Heathrow - Saint Lucia
Heathrow - São Paulo - Buenos Aires (begins 9th December 2021 - New Combined Route)
Heathrow - Terceira (begins 10th July 2022)
~~Heathrow - Wroclaw~~ (Cancelled before launch)

Gatwick - Doha
Gatwick - Islamabad (begins 27th March 2022 - Switching from LHR)
Gatwick - Manchester (begins 27 March 2022)
Gatwick - Montego Bay

London City - Barcelona (begins 19th June 2022)
London City - Belfast City
~~London City - Gibraltar~~ (Now Suspended)
London City - Guernsey
London City - Jersey
London City - Luxembourg (begins 27th March 2022)
London City - Milan Malpensa (begins 27th March 2022)
London City - Salzburg (begins Feb 2022)
London City - San Sebastián (begins 8th July 2022)
London City - Thessaloniki (begins 18th June 2022)

~~Manchester - Faro~~ (Now Suspended)
~~Manchester - Porto~~ (Now Suspended)

~~Newcastle - Faro~~ (Now Suspended)

~~Edinburgh - Faro~~ (Now Suspended)
Edinburgh - Guernsey

Belfast City - Birmingham
Belfast City - Exeter
Belfast City - Glasgow
Belfast City - Leeds/Bradford
Belfast City - London City
Belfast City - Newquay

Southampton - Alicante
Southampton - Bergerac
Southampton - Berlin
Southampton - Chambery (begins 18th December 2021)
Southampton - Edinburgh
Southampton - Faro
Southampton - Florence (begins 30th April 2022)
Southampton - Ibiza
Southampton - Limoges (begins 14th May 2022)
Southampton - Malaga
Southampton - Mykonos
Southampton - Nice (begins 14th May 2022)
Southampton - Palma de Mallorca
Southampton - Salzburg (begins 11th December 2021)

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Terminated Routes

Heathrow - Abu Dhabi
Heathrow - Beirut
Heathrow - Buenos Aires (Direct Service)
Heathrow - Calgary
Heathrow - Charleston
Heathrow - Dammam (via Bahrain)
Heathrow - Doha
Heathrow - Durban
Heathrow - Helsinki - Specific thread
Heathrow - Islamabad (ends 9th December 2021 - Switching to LGW)
Heathrow - Jeddah (short adhoc operation in July over Hajj)
Heathrow - Kuala Lumpur
Heathrow - Leeds Bradford - Specific thread
Heathrow - Montpellier
Heathrow - Moscow SVO - Specific thread
Heathrow - Muscat
Heathrow - Osaka
Heathrow - Podgorica
Heathrow - Seoul
Heathrow - Seychelles

Gatwick - Almeria
Gatwick - Bermuda
Gatwick - Bilbao
Gatwick - Cape Town
Gatwick - Cologne
Gatwick - Edinburgh
Gatwick - Genoa
Gatwick - Las Vegas
Gatwick - Lima
Gatwick - Malé
Gatwick - Milan Bergamo
Gatwick - Nuremberg
Gatwick - Toronto
Gatwick - Vienna

London City - Gibraltar
London City - Isle of Man
London City - Manchester
London City - Milan Linate
London City - Munich
London City - New York JFK (A318 retirement)
London City - Rome
London City - Venice

Stansted - Berlin
Stansted - Chambery
Stansted - Faro
Stansted - Florence
Stansted - Ibiza
Stansted - Malaga
Stansted - Mykonos
Stansted - Palma de Mallorca

Manchester - Alicante
Manchester - Faro
Manchester - Florence
Manchester - Ibiza
Manchester - Malaga
Manchester - Mykonos
Manchester - Nice
Manchester - Palma de Mallorca

Newcastle - Faro

Edinburgh - Faro

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Routes Switching from Long Haul to Short Haul

Heathrow - Amman
Heathrow - Cairo
Heathrow - Moscow DME

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Temporary Suspensions for W21

Heathrow - Billund
Heathrow - Pisa
Heathrow - San Jose, CA
Heathrow - Sydney

Gatwick - Alicante
Gatwick - Dubrovnik

London City - Nice

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NB: All LGW Short-Haul services will depart from LHR up to and including 26 March 2022 (excluding LGW-GLA/MAN)

COVID-19 BA Suspended Routes, Changes in The BA Network, Speculation & Discussion

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Dec 18, 2020, 4:49 am

#361

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Originally Posted by londonba2014

Fair point - perhaps I'm overthinking it with the horror of not even having a USB port available!

Even in normal years, any aircraft type shown in next winters timetable is an educated guess. The winter timetable aircraft is normally firmed up the first week of july, with some tweaking continuing right up to season start. and thats a normal year

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Dec 18, 2020, 5:29 am

#362

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Originally Posted by lost_in_translation

I imagine it's not just lack of demand that has done for these routes (but that's obviously a huge factor), it's also that BA will need the 787s for use on more important routes which can probably support a down-gauged 787 profitably in the near term but can't support, say, a 777-300 anymore until travel substantially recovers. Maximising usage / load factors on the 787s will be fairly crucial to minimising BA's losses in the recovery period.

I am not surprised at all by ICN being dropped as it always seemed pretty marginal, it started with a four class 777 and quickly got down-gauged to allow it to survive. There are also two other direct carriers on the route (until they merge) who are both unlikely to drop LHR from their network as a flagship route, as well as a general preference amongst the Koreans flying the route to take one of those two carriers over BA, so the competition is pretty strong for what are not huge passenger volumes. I could see KUL being a candidate for down-gauging to a 787-8 instead of dropping entirely in different times, but it seems BA has reasoned the limited 787-8s are better deployed elsewhere. The fact that almost all of the dropped destinations in Asia have taken the approach of varying degrees of hermetically sealed border with no stated end in sight doesn't help the case to keep those routes on the schedule, either.

You raise a good point, I hadn’t considered that. BA might need the 787s elsewhere.

Dec 18, 2020, 6:49 am

#363

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Originally Posted by peck

Bizarre. I simply asked the guy to move the destination to SIN. He checked the distances, said it was fine, swapped the flights and I was off the phone in under 5 minutes.

I would definitely try again. You may have already said upthread somewhere but which class are you travelling in?

Business class Avios booking 50% off sale and Amex 2-4-1 voucher. I’d even found Avios seats available to/from SIN but still wouldn’t move me from KUL

Dec 18, 2020, 7:33 am

#364

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gallagher

Business class Avios booking 50% off sale and Amex 2-4-1 voucher. I’d even found Avios seats available to/from SIN but still wouldn’t move me from KUL

are you trying to move dates as well? if so how far from the original date?

Dec 18, 2020, 7:55 am

#365

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Originally Posted by KARFA

are you trying to move dates as well? if so how far from the original date?

Yes, that's a good question. I just swapped like-for-like dates (there was availability). But otherwise, my situation is identical to Gallaghers (2-4-1, CW, 50% avios sale fare)

Dec 18, 2020, 8:38 am

#366

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Originally Posted by KARFA

are you trying to move dates as well? if so how far from the original date?

Flights booked in October 2020 for outbound to KUL 18/12/20 and return 02/01/21. Return cancelled by BA.
KUL now cancelled after March 2021 and doubtful will be open before route finishes. Asked to be moved to SIN in June 2021 on flights showing Avios availability - still would not move me -(
To hold my 50% off and 2-4-1 voucher pushed booking to late March in the hope BA will cancel again.

Dec 18, 2020, 9:13 am

#367

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Originally Posted by gallagher

Would your voucher still be valid in June?

If so I guess they're not willing to change both destination and date.

Dec 18, 2020, 9:54 am

#368

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Originally Posted by DFB_london

A380 assigned to Boston, Dubai, Jo'berg, LA, Miami, San Francisco. next summer
Still leaves around 5 frames spare. But chance A380 utilisation stays low until 2022/23

Yup - and there were murmurings of BA reducing to an 8 frame fleet for the A380 (and, of course, the possibility that BA will never fly a commercial A380 flight again! But I don't like to think that is an option, and I think it's more unlikely now than it was.)

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Dec 18, 2020, 10:30 am

#369

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Originally Posted by GodAtum

I tried to book on MAS as that's the only direct flight, but they refused. I have no other option but to cancel? I want.a direct flight from London.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gallagher

after a total of over 4 hours on hold I got through to a very helpful guy at EC.
So my KUL return flight cancelled by BA booking 2-4-1 50% Avios sale:
could not be moved to another one world carrier
could not be moved to SIN
Must be to KUL as destination before end of June 2021
i queried all of these statements but a supervisor confirmed
So moved to latest flight with Avios availability in the hope BA become a bit more lenient at some point before my new departure date

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Originally Posted by tom31

It's shocking that they've cancelled so many flights but need a few days to decide what to do with customers.

I'm really hoping I can get the Qatar flights to KUL. The agent did offer to transfer me into the SIN flight but then I'd have to get to KUL.

Guys, I just got rebooked onto MH1 & MH2 to KUL and back to LHR, with seats selected in F and J (Well technically A & I).
Seems like BA have reached an agreement with Malaysia Airlines.

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Dec 19, 2020, 6:42 am

#370

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Email from BA today :

“You’ll notice a few changes on your upcoming trip to Kuala Lumpur on 02 January 2020. From wearing face masks to Perspex screens at the airport, things may feel a little different at each step. However, it’s all to protect you on the ground and in the air.”

I certainly will. My flight was from KUL-LHR and BA cancelled it over a month ago

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Dec 19, 2020, 4:27 pm

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Rumour is rife in the UK media that the US travel ban is going to be annulled on Tuesday. Hopefully some good news for BA LHR-US routes.

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Dec 19, 2020, 5:09 pm

#372

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Originally Posted by flyingcrazy

Rumour is rife in the UK media that the US travel ban is going to be annulled on Tuesday. Hopefully some good news for BA LHR-US routes.

London has just gone into a full blown Tier 4 lockdown with a ban on non-essential intl travel. What planet are you on?

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Dec 19, 2020, 5:23 pm

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London has just gone into a full blown Tier 4 lockdown with a ban on non-essential intl travel. What planet are you on?

Transit traffic? What about the fact that most of the UK is not London and can still travel abroad?

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Dec 19, 2020, 7:53 pm

#374

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Based on the current schedule loaded for mid July 2021 BA plan to operate the following long haul frequencies:

Accra - Daily
Antigua - 6 x Weekly
Cancun - Daily
Doha - Daily
Grenada (via St Lucia) - 2 x Weekly
Islamabad - 6 x Weekly
Kingston - 3 x Weekly
Las Vegas - 3 x Weekly
Mauritius - 3 x Weekly
Orlando - Daily
Port of Spain (via St Lucia) - 4 x Weekly
Providenciales (via Antigua ) - 1 x Weekly
Punta Cana - 3 x Weekly
St Kitts (via Antigua) - 2 x Weekly
St Lucia- 6 x Weekly
Tampa - 5 x Weekly
Tobago (via Antigua) - 2 x Weekly

Note: ALL flights are planned to operated by 3 Class 777 in a high density configuration

Dec 19, 2020, 8:32 pm

#375

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Originally Posted by flyingcrazy

Transit traffic? What about the fact that most of the UK is not London and can still travel abroad?

Have a look at the news then get back to me. Heathrow is in Tier 4, the highest risk. All non essential local traffic out of London is now illegal. UK connections will be down to one daily flight each to the domestics, not even close to the beginnings of making a dent in filling long haul while London is closed to travel.