Is it all worth it?
#61
Join Date: Jul 2011
Programs: BAEC Gold, Marriott Plat
Posts: 686
I doubt I’ll ever reach gold again and frankly that doesn’t bother me in the slightest now. I feel I probably caught the last of the ‘good times’ wrt frequent flyer programmes over the past decade and I enjoyed every minute (much of it with BA). But surely that all changes for good now - 2020 is going to be a write off, and maybe we’ll see slow recoveries from there, but it will take years. What BAEC looks like then... who knows?
All that really matters for now is that we all keep safe and well, and I just pray BA treat their staff with respect during this awful time. One can hope...
All that really matters for now is that we all keep safe and well, and I just pray BA treat their staff with respect during this awful time. One can hope...
#62
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Henley-On-Thames
Programs: BAEC Silver (but only temporarily) AVIS Presidents Club, Starbucks Gold
Posts: 486
I chased BA Silver (TP Run-ifying an intended USA trip for example) so that I could use the perks for my approx 24 sectors a year short haul that I'd do for work meetings in Europe.
I imagine that due to travel budgets shrinking, and increase in video-conferencing, I'll be lucky to get four sectors a year in the future, once this all stabilises.
Don't think it will be worth it for the return I'd get, now, so I'll be open to flying on other carriers now.
I imagine that due to travel budgets shrinking, and increase in video-conferencing, I'll be lucky to get four sectors a year in the future, once this all stabilises.
Don't think it will be worth it for the return I'd get, now, so I'll be open to flying on other carriers now.
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#63
Join Date: Feb 2015
Programs: BA Gold, Avis President
Posts: 436
I doubt I’ll ever reach gold again and frankly that doesn’t bother me in the slightest now. I feel I probably caught the last of the ‘good times’ wrt frequent flyer programmes over the past decade and I enjoyed every minute (much of it with BA). But surely that all changes for good now - 2020 is going to be a write off, and maybe we’ll see slow recoveries from there, but it will take years. What BAEC looks like then... who knows?
All that really matters for now is that we all keep safe and well, and I just pray BA treat their staff with respect during this awful time. One can hope...
All that really matters for now is that we all keep safe and well, and I just pray BA treat their staff with respect during this awful time. One can hope...
#64
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,059
It actually sounds neither of those things, yours was one of the most reasoned and heartfelt posts I’ve ever read on this Forum. Thank you for the remarkable and honest way you put it all in perspective.
#65
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Anywhere
Posts: 6,575
IF I still have a job
AND it pays enough to cover the bills and leave a bit left
AND countries are open to (and welcoming to - an important distinction) visitors
AND insurance will still cover me
AND status is still worth having (lounges mainly for me)
AND flying (and related ancillaries, e.g. hotels) is still affordable
AND it is not made horribly unpleasant by airlines, airports and regulations
(all in that order)
AND it pays enough to cover the bills and leave a bit left
AND countries are open to (and welcoming to - an important distinction) visitors
AND insurance will still cover me
AND status is still worth having (lounges mainly for me)
AND flying (and related ancillaries, e.g. hotels) is still affordable
AND it is not made horribly unpleasant by airlines, airports and regulations
(all in that order)
Although it's somewhat covered by your last point, I'd like to point out more specifically, one non negotiable factor for me:
AND airlines provide reasonably comparable onboard catering as pre pandemic days
For instance, I wouldn't set foot on BA under its current stripped bare onboard offering, instead would switch to another (OW, likely) airline that still retains almost full service.
#66
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
Programs: BAEC Gold! Thanks to FT
Posts: 3,374
I’m all leisure travel. Got Silver easily with annual holiday in Cancun reaches creatively and bargain BA Club Europe Holidays. Thanks to this forum a bit of juggling, a TLL 200 TP weekend and an ex-eu that got me a 5 day trip to Miami and New York that I otherwise wouldn’t have done and I’ve got 2 years Gold.
The lounges are great. The welcome onboard was nice when it happened, seat assignments, the first wing and group 1 boarding make a Ł75 day trip to Madrid pleasurable. In March as there were more Silvers in my group experienced Galleries Club for the first time in a while. Was perfectly acceptable,
As things stand I’ll drop to Silver unless BA extend. I’m not overly fussed about that with more people losing their jobs and struggling to feed themselves seems very selfish to feel hard done by.
Once travel gets back to the new normal who knows what it’s going to be. I’ll decide then and it might mean chosing by price and what I can get and taking the train to Manchester, Newcastle and Scotland instead of flying as the enjoyment is taken out of such trips without the perks attached to them.
I don’t think anybody could have predicted this after BA cancelled flights to China for a few weeks back in January.
The lounges are great. The welcome onboard was nice when it happened, seat assignments, the first wing and group 1 boarding make a Ł75 day trip to Madrid pleasurable. In March as there were more Silvers in my group experienced Galleries Club for the first time in a while. Was perfectly acceptable,
As things stand I’ll drop to Silver unless BA extend. I’m not overly fussed about that with more people losing their jobs and struggling to feed themselves seems very selfish to feel hard done by.
Once travel gets back to the new normal who knows what it’s going to be. I’ll decide then and it might mean chosing by price and what I can get and taking the train to Manchester, Newcastle and Scotland instead of flying as the enjoyment is taken out of such trips without the perks attached to them.
I don’t think anybody could have predicted this after BA cancelled flights to China for a few weeks back in January.
#67
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Programs: BAEC Gold HH Diamond
Posts: 210
Reevaluated travel before Corvid and concluded it wasn't worth the candle.The virus and implications has just served to cement that view. Turns out I wasn't the travel junkie I thought I was. Plan is to instead buy a nice grunty convertible and see the UK. Slowly. When the world reopens of course....
#68
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: United Kingdom
Programs: Bonvoy LTTitanium, BAEC Silver
Posts: 591
I'm actually starting to wonder if visiting an airport lounge was actually that enjoyable or did it simply take the edge off an onerous process of travelling from A to B via an airport? Was it actually that gratifying to receive complimentary food and drinks or are we programmed to get a kick out of anything that is given to us for free? I can go to M&S buy a nice bottle of something and a variety of snacks and nibbles for less than Ł20 and not have DYKWIAs annoy me with their loud phone calls or bulldoze their way in front of me as I go to the fridge.
#69
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: BAEC Gold, EK Skywards (enhanced Blue !), Oman Air Sindbad Gold
Posts: 6,399
I can see a revival - or should I say, increase - in the attraction of long-haul travel by rail, especially on some of the more scenic routes. Not the immediate solution perhaps for trips when speed is key .... and certainly not if you need to hop over to, say, New York - but, in other scenarios, undoubtedly more of an all-round adventure / experience than hanging around airports, security queues, noisy lounges, kept waiting on airbridges and (increasingly more often) terminal transfer buses.
Not sure whether merely a coincidence (or maybe the fact that I have been spending more time than usual in front of TV screens) but there seems to have been a plethora of (enjoyable, often alluring) programmes recently depicting various iconic train journeys in different parts of the world, and I suspect they may well be having a subconscious impact in the minds of many of us who normally look no further than the available flight options between two cities ..... with a keen eye also to the TP + Avios calculator chart
Not sure whether merely a coincidence (or maybe the fact that I have been spending more time than usual in front of TV screens) but there seems to have been a plethora of (enjoyable, often alluring) programmes recently depicting various iconic train journeys in different parts of the world, and I suspect they may well be having a subconscious impact in the minds of many of us who normally look no further than the available flight options between two cities ..... with a keen eye also to the TP + Avios calculator chart
#70
Fontaine d'honneur du Flyertalk
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Morbihan, France
Programs: Reine des Muccis de Pucci; Foreign Elitist (according to others)
Posts: 19,172
I'm actually starting to wonder if visiting an airport lounge was actually that enjoyable or did it simply take the edge off an onerous process of travelling from A to B via an airport? Was it actually that gratifying to receive complimentary food and drinks or are we programmed to get a kick out of anything that is given to us for free? I can go to M&S buy a nice bottle of something and a variety of snacks and nibbles for less than Ł20 and not have DYKWIAs annoy me with their loud phone calls or bulldoze their way in front of me as I go to the fridge.
#71
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 13
Travel is worth it
Enjoyed reading threads above.
I work in an acute hospital specialty, completely transformed by Covid-19 workload (now thankfully easing).
Even before that kicked in, the NHS just endured the highest pressure Winter in its history.
The job is always stressful and I’m permanently knackered.
The one thing that keeps me going (after paying mortgage) is international travel. Just reading about destinations and planning trips is keeping me sane.
As soon as restrictions are lifted, I’ll be back in the air - I haven’t run out of world to see yet.
As mentioned above, we’ve all got to die of something sometime. There have always been risks to travelling. We will get over this at some point.
I work in an acute hospital specialty, completely transformed by Covid-19 workload (now thankfully easing).
Even before that kicked in, the NHS just endured the highest pressure Winter in its history.
The job is always stressful and I’m permanently knackered.
The one thing that keeps me going (after paying mortgage) is international travel. Just reading about destinations and planning trips is keeping me sane.
As soon as restrictions are lifted, I’ll be back in the air - I haven’t run out of world to see yet.
As mentioned above, we’ve all got to die of something sometime. There have always been risks to travelling. We will get over this at some point.
#72
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: BAEC Gold, EK Skywards (enhanced Blue !), Oman Air Sindbad Gold
Posts: 6,399
Wasn’t there an FT-er a while back who was keen to maintain Gold primarily so that he and a mate could fly over every month on the morning flight from OSL, spend virtually a whole day feeding themselves in the BA lounges at T5 ..... and then fly back home again later the same day .... ? (and, yes .... we’re talking BA and LHR lounges ..... not even the likes of SYD, HKG, or DXB !!)
I’m all for YMMV and one man’s meat etc ...... but even those mantras have limits, surely .......
#73
Join Date: Oct 2005
Programs: BA GGL & GfL, AA LTP, Marriott (sigh) Ambassador, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,232
it is a strange feeling. these 1.5mos are the longest ive gone without being on a plane in 20 years.
for a good ten years i did chase status (on AA) back when it was easy and straightforward to do mileage runs.
then i moved to London, and BA and the combination of longhaul work, family obligations in the US and personal holidays made it very easy to obtain/retain GGL in my first 5 years in the UK.
the last two years i didnt aim for GGL, it just happened because i have 2-3 longhaul biz trips per year but all personal travel, i buy J or F anyhow...but being GGL has been amazing to have thanks to IRROPS or for the dedicated phone and other perks.
now imagining those work trips will be eliminated, im not sure if i will chase GGL as i will continue to pay for J or F...but right now if all was safe to travel again, i know i'd chase it! i love the feeling of flying and everything that comes with it.
but ask me again in 6mons.
for a good ten years i did chase status (on AA) back when it was easy and straightforward to do mileage runs.
then i moved to London, and BA and the combination of longhaul work, family obligations in the US and personal holidays made it very easy to obtain/retain GGL in my first 5 years in the UK.
the last two years i didnt aim for GGL, it just happened because i have 2-3 longhaul biz trips per year but all personal travel, i buy J or F anyhow...but being GGL has been amazing to have thanks to IRROPS or for the dedicated phone and other perks.
now imagining those work trips will be eliminated, im not sure if i will chase GGL as i will continue to pay for J or F...but right now if all was safe to travel again, i know i'd chase it! i love the feeling of flying and everything that comes with it.
but ask me again in 6mons.
#74
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Anglia UK
Programs: BA-S UA LH-Sen KLM/AF-Plat.
Posts: 1,627
I can see a revival - or should I say, increase - in the attraction of long-haul travel by rail, especially on some of the more scenic routes. Not the immediate solution perhaps for trips when speed is key .... and certainly not if you need to hop over to, say, New York - but, in other scenarios, undoubtedly more of an all-round adventure / experience than hanging around airports, security queues, noisy lounges, kept waiting on airbridges and (increasingly more often) terminal transfer buses.
Not sure whether merely a coincidence (or maybe the fact that I have been spending more time than usual in front of TV screens) but there seems to have been a plethora of (enjoyable, often alluring) programmes recently depicting various iconic train journeys in different parts of the world, and I suspect they may well be having a subconscious impact in the minds of many of us who normally look no further than the available flight options between two cities ..... with a keen eye also to the TP + Avios calculator chart
Not sure whether merely a coincidence (or maybe the fact that I have been spending more time than usual in front of TV screens) but there seems to have been a plethora of (enjoyable, often alluring) programmes recently depicting various iconic train journeys in different parts of the world, and I suspect they may well be having a subconscious impact in the minds of many of us who normally look no further than the available flight options between two cities ..... with a keen eye also to the TP + Avios calculator chart
#75
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: London
Programs: BA Silver Seigneur des Horaires des Mucci.
Posts: 2,047
I remember chastising the annual bragging thread on here of how many flights FTers had done the previous year
Others also mentioned the thread had become a bit distasteful where global climate related dusters were occuring such as the Australian fires etc
One of the positives of lockdown for me has been the fresh air and nature and peace in central london and the odd light aircrafy flying over doing a survey.
I wonder if global attitudes to aviation will see a real change coming out of this crisis
Maybe we are in a luxury position to say this having done a fair degree of world travel in our lives already but the slow recovery and the price of flights will probably make the whole of aviation re-align
Others also mentioned the thread had become a bit distasteful where global climate related dusters were occuring such as the Australian fires etc
One of the positives of lockdown for me has been the fresh air and nature and peace in central london and the odd light aircrafy flying over doing a survey.
I wonder if global attitudes to aviation will see a real change coming out of this crisis
Maybe we are in a luxury position to say this having done a fair degree of world travel in our lives already but the slow recovery and the price of flights will probably make the whole of aviation re-align