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BA to cut up to 12,000 jobs in "restructuring and redundancy programme"

Old Apr 29, 2020, 12:55 am
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The cynical part of me does wonder whether BA is taking the opportunity to get rid of its expensive employees. That would include WW crew in particular, but also some of the most senior captains and long standing ground crew.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:02 am
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Originally Posted by cauchy
It's simply me assuming the highest paid are most at risk. Not the most sophisticated reasoning I accept.
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Theyre also the most expensive to get rid of. Mixed fleet can contractually be stood down whenever they are not needed. Thats your quickest and cheapest route to cabin crew redundancies. A sensible mix is most likely. Early retirement offers might tempt WW?
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:13 am
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Originally Posted by CharlotteC
I get what you are saying but various Balearic bureaucrats have stated that they dont want those Brits there previously! Guess it was just a thought and I know that friends who own a small hotel in Portugal (not a cheap to hasten to add) were told by Portuguese friends that they would be very happy if Brits didnt come back due to behaviour and the British approach to quarantining on arrival in the UK
I think that most people understand that it's a very very small minority of UK travellers that behave badly abroad. Of course there are a number of hotspots around the Mediterranean especially that attract attention to this behaviour, via the media mostly, but it'll not only be British citizens. That's just what we hear via the tabloids mostly.

This behaviour has been around for many many years and is something that the local authorities need to tackle of course, but the fact is that the vast majority of 'Brits abroad' are as well behaved as other nationalities. There will be Brits that are better behaved, more considerate and spend more money than some other countrie's citizens! You can't tar a nation with the same brush. It's a tiny minority and I think other countries fully get that.

Despite people quoting things that friends of friends have said about 'Brits' and not wanting them/us back, I'm confident that most (if not all) tourism sectors and locations will fully welcome back 'Brits' as soon as its safe to do so in relation to Covid-19. After all, economies need cash, especially after this.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:14 am
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Exactly what I’m thinking/hoping A P Yu.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by HFHFFlyer
The cynical part of me does wonder whether BA is taking the opportunity to get rid of its expensive employees. That would include WW crew in particular, but also some of the most senior captains and long standing ground crew.
Well I bl**by well hope that they do not dumb down the overall experience of the flight crew. One of the main reasons I fly BA over other airlines is because I trust that the guys and gals in the cockpit are well trained and experienced. With the greatest respect to the younger cadre, I quite like to see older pilots in the pointy end.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by HFHFFlyer
The cynical part of me does wonder whether BA is taking the opportunity to get rid of its expensive employees. That would include WW crew in particular, but also some of the most senior captains and long standing ground crew.
This certainly plays a part, and it's one of the reasons I'm very skeptical of this move from BA (or similar one from LH, at least according to the latest rumours that want Lufthansa refusing state aid so that they don't have the government in the board). It feels like an attempt at shedding some weight while, at the same time, keeping State interference away and the good old habits of big bonuses, share buy-backs and multiple dividends rolling.

I too hope that BA is intelligent in approaching this. Offer early retirement, VR, whatever. Plenty of people I know - be it Eurofleet or Worldwide crews, old school Technicians who never upped to LAE, office staff - have 25+ years' worth of defined contribution pensions to fall back to, have done a lot of service and could go into early retirement. Force redundancies only after everyone who'd rather leave has gone.

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Well I bl**by well hope that they do not dumb down the overall experience of the flight crew. One of the main reasons I fly BA over other airlines is because I trust that the guys and gals in the cockpit are well trained and experienced. With the greatest respect to the younger cadre, I quite like to see older pilots in the pointy end.
Age =/= experience. The AF447 pilots weren't spring bunnies and yet the airplane fell. The average age of the engineers who managed Apollo was in the mid-20s and they delivered the most successful space exploration ever.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:50 am
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Its completely right that your long service staff have the most costs, and if BA are like many other organisations, they will also be the ones with the best pensions and pension rights that any company would struggle not to pay even in a redundancy situation if they were offered to exit. From a workforce planning and management perspective, you would normally offer them a voluntary exit first if they are near pension age or you would keep them on because they would be expensive to make redundant (and let them get to pension age whenever that may be).

From a purely speculative and personal experience, if the chips are really down you start looking at your easy avenues first (who can we offer a voluntary exit to, who has been around less than 2 years) then you start to impact other groups depending on the future aim of the organisation.

From a corporate role perspective; Marketing and Sales are usually to be shrunk - sales call centres operatives, marketing (physicals e.g events not digital marketing), your check in teams, dedicated teams that are a nice to have not an operational necessity (teams around experience on board, on board shopping, future catering direction and evolving on board product, frequent flyer dedicated teams, lounge liaisons) your corporate functions get slimmer (HR loses non-critical functions eg employee experience, learning teams, talent teams). Usually what you would leave is your bare bones to operate - corporate and shares services, business strategy and IT.

BAs real struggle will be the jobs of cabin crew and pilots, but thats where I think the routes they no longer intend to fly and the length of service will step in. I think that will start to come out in the wash in June as they will be able to use that as a justification for job losses. They may also stand down some locations where staff are based and therein will be an agreement of whether they voluntary exit, move or are made redundant.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 1:52 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic
well Im my case (and that of quite a few colleagues Ive discussed it with), the more remote meetings Im doing, the more vibrantly Im convinced that face to face interaction achieves very different/far superior results.
The CEO of Barclays has said this morning permanent changes to how staff work are likely and the notion of putting 7,000 people in a building may be a thing of the past.

I suspect the only people clinging on to the notion that business travel will rebound are those desperate to keep their gold cards.

Of course therell still be a need for some face to face meetings, and specialist contractors will still need to get to where theyre needed. But theyll be the exception not the norm.

And thats whatll be scaring IAG the most. Leisure travellers are fickle and can be tempted back with good deals when the times right. Corporate accountants will be less easy to win over.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:01 am
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Originally Posted by BA or bust
.............. One of the main reasons I fly BA over other airlines is because I trust that the guys and gals in the cockpit are well trained and experienced..........
You’re probably not the first person on FT to make such comments, so please understand that there is no offence intended in what I am about to say.

The very notion that BA flight-deck crews should somehow be perceived as more trustworthy / better trained than those serving any other ‘respected’ carriers (respected in the sense that the CAA permits them landing rights in the UK) has, I feel, been debunked many times (and by far smarter people than me). I cannot think of any reliable evidence or data which would support such a view.

Personally I have never come across any (frequent) global flyers who actually harbour this perception - i.e. that a BA pilot is somehow better qualified than those sitting on the flight-decks of aircraft operated by the likes of, say, Lufthansa, Qatar, SAS, Emirates, Qantas, Virgin, Cathay Pacific (to name just a handful). At best, there may perhaps be some vague ‘feel-good’ factor - but one that is, in reality, baseless.

There are all manner of rational reasons as to why travellers might choose “BA over other airlines” ; but I struggle to understand why the comparative competence of flight crew would be amongst them.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:13 am
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:23 am
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Very hard on those losing their jobs, utterly horrible experience, happened to me in the financial crisis.

I would say that you do get over it and looking back it was no near as bad as I thought it was at the time. Fear of the unknown is perhaps the worst aspect.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:39 am
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Originally Posted by JessicaB
Gosh, given how they have pared back the service recently, I dread to think what you mean by a "functional one rather than a bells and whistles carrier". Try flying on the bucket-and-spade long-haul 777's from Gatwick, not a bell nor a whistle to be seen.

I think the days of cheap flying will be over in any case. Far fewer flights will operate, and those that do will charge much higher fares, that's my prediction. At least Greta will be happy.
Well worth reading the article over at headforpoints on why the days of cheap flying will not be over. It's a rare bit of optimism.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:41 am
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I assume there will be a round of voluntary redundancies, but what is the system after that?

Can BA pick and chose who to get rid of, or is there a set procedure to be followed. I guess from a compassionate point of view you should get rid of legacy crew first, as they are likely to have the best pension and redundancy provisions, so would be best able to manage the current difficult times.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:52 am
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Originally Posted by Worcester
Very hard on those losing their jobs, utterly horrible experience, happened to me in the financial crisis.

I would say that you do get over it and looking back it was no near as bad as I thought it was at the time. Fear of the unknown is perhaps the worst aspect.
Having also been in a similar situation, I found the opposite to be true.

I knew I would have no income
I knew mortgage and utility bills would still need to be paid.
I knew that I would need to find another job - quickly.
I knew that many like me were in the same situation looking for the few jobs in my sector.
I knew that as a 'more mature' worker, that would be detrimental in securing employment.

However, I also knew that I would get through it and I am now not in the gutter or begging on the streets. I appreciate it won't bring much comfort to those members of BA staff who must be really concerned right now, but there IS life after being dismissed.

Best wishes to all BA staff who will be affected by this.
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Old Apr 29, 2020, 2:53 am
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Originally Posted by Internaut
Well worth reading the article over at headforpoints on why the days of cheap flying will not be over. It's a rare bit of optimism.
I agree. It is so expensive to keep planes on the ground that as soon as restrictions start getting lifted, planes will start flying (also because cargo demand will push airlines to do so). This means supply of available passenger seats will grow faster than demand and competition will take care of the rest. The days of cheap flying will be back sooner than most realise.
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