BA 787-10 deliveries
Apr 22, 2020, 2:07 pm
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It was reported by the FT, although it doesn't name the airline.
"At the end of March, just days before Boeing was set to hand over a new 787 Dreamliner to one of its most valued customers in the Middle East, the airline’s head of procurement picked up the phone to the US aircraft maker. The deal was off, unless Boeing was willing to increase the 55 per cent discount it had already agreed on the $338m list price. In normal times, an airline would hesitate before threatening to cancel an order at such a late stage. Cancellation would normally mean heavy penalties and forfeiting the downpayments, which for Boeing’s state of the art twin-aisle model amounted to close to $100m of the agreed $150m price tag. But these are not normal times. Boeing caved in and cut the price by a further 15 per cent, according to people involved in the deal. The US aircraft maker — which declined to comment on the contract details — saw more value in getting the jet out of the hangar than haggling for a few million dollars more."
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"At the end of March, just days before Boeing was set to hand over a new 787 Dreamliner to one of its most valued customers in the Middle East, the airline’s head of procurement picked up the phone to the US aircraft maker. The deal was off, unless Boeing was willing to increase the 55 per cent discount it had already agreed on the $338m list price. In normal times, an airline would hesitate before threatening to cancel an order at such a late stage. Cancellation would normally mean heavy penalties and forfeiting the downpayments, which for Boeing’s state of the art twin-aisle model amounted to close to $100m of the agreed $150m price tag. But these are not normal times. Boeing caved in and cut the price by a further 15 per cent, according to people involved in the deal. The US aircraft maker — which declined to comment on the contract details — saw more value in getting the jet out of the hangar than haggling for a few million dollars more."
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Apr 22, 2020, 2:44 pm
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I know they have some passengers but with less than 20 flights per day (if it hasn’t declined further?) rather than their usual 300+ flights per day, to say you have passengers would be a bit insulting to BA. (IAG) in today’s numbers.
Sadly that is the reality. Yes they have a few passengers but not enough that they have ground 200 odd aircraft! ...I lost count. 200 (plus/minus) British Airways aircraft parked up. That is remarkable. Something that is incredibly strange to type let alone digest or see the reality of it.
Which, whilst isolating and being online through websites, social media etc it’s very easy to forget the outside world and what’s actually happening or not as the case maybe. Seeing a deserted Oxford Street on a news site today is very strange, almost apocalyptic.
I imagine if we were to visit Glasgow or LGW and see the aircraft all lined up, parked and engines covered, the reality might really hit home.
So on that basis I think even I could make the decision that 787 delivery can be rescheduled.
Apr 22, 2020, 7:48 pm
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Apr 23, 2020, 1:53 am
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By stating the list price of $338 million, the FT is at least committing that it's a 787-10. The -8 and -9 are $248m and $292m respectively. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...craft-by-type/)
Here's a list of delivered 787s from All things 787
The thing that troubles me is that the FT say "at the end of March" which doesn't tie in with the date of the Saudia delivery. I've checked FR24 and the aircraft was physically delivered on the 19th. If the incident happened 'days before' then it was mid-March. Perhaps this is just an insignificant mistake or maybe it hints that the article is indeed 'twaddle'. As in my last post, I'm filing it under 'hmmm' for now.
Anyway, we're straying off topic. Sorry!
Apr 23, 2020, 2:26 am
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By stating the list price of $338 million, the FT is at least committing that it's a 787-10. The -8 and -9 are $248m and $292m respectively. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...craft-by-type/)
May 15, 2020, 12:40 pm
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Does anyone know which World Traveller seat the 787-10 will have?
Will it have the older (and wider) seat that’s on the -8 and -9, or will they go with the same new narrow seat that’s on the 777 refits and A350?
Will it have the older (and wider) seat that’s on the -8 and -9, or will they go with the same new narrow seat that’s on the 777 refits and A350?
May 15, 2020, 1:20 pm
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May 15, 2020, 3:30 pm
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May 16, 2020, 4:41 am
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When BA already have a First seat built for the 787, why would they go to the trouble of reworking secondhand seats from an aircraft cabin totally different in shape and size? With all these things, aircraft and seats already on firm order before COVID-19 struck, penalty clauses will exist for cancellation.
May 16, 2020, 8:10 am
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I was sure that the seat on the -8 was the same width as the 10 across WT in the 777s. Are the A350 seats more narrow than those?!
May 16, 2020, 8:20 am
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May 16, 2020, 8:23 am
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I think the old 777 WT seat is the same as the -8 and -9. But when the 777 was converted to 10 abreast, they received the newer seat which is the same as the A350. That suggests that to me it’s a narrower seat to allow 10 across.