BA Covid-19 news, views, speculations, general questions, rants & more
May 23, 2020, 8:13 pm
#766
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Hey people
not sure if this is the right form to ask (so i apologise in advance if it isn't)
but I've just got a quick question here
I need to be in New York next weekend and I will be back before the 8th june more like june 1st
will I be able to go?
Will I need to quarantine?
If I can go what are the things I need to know?
(I'm an English passport holder)
Thanks.
not sure if this is the right form to ask (so i apologise in advance if it isn't)
but I've just got a quick question here
I need to be in New York next weekend and I will be back before the 8th june more like june 1st
will I be able to go?
Will I need to quarantine?
If I can go what are the things I need to know?
(I'm an English passport holder)
Thanks.
Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or in the United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
-This does not apply to:
- nationals and permanent residents of the USA;
- spouses of nationals and of permanent residents of the USA;
- parents/legal guardians of an unmarried and younger than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
- the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is unmarried and younger than 21 years;
- the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent resident of the USA;
- passengers with the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-1, C-1/D, C-2, C-3, D, E-1, G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, IR-4, IH-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
- members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
- passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation of the USA government for a purpose related to the containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
- passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is exempt from the restriction;
- B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar crewmember actives.
-This does not apply to:
- nationals and permanent residents of the USA;
- spouses of nationals and of permanent residents of the USA;
- parents/legal guardians of an unmarried and younger than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
- the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is unmarried and younger than 21 years;
- the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent resident of the USA;
- passengers with the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-1, C-1/D, C-2, C-3, D, E-1, G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, IR-4, IH-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
- members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
- passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation of the USA government for a purpose related to the containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
- passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is exempt from the restriction;
- B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar crewmember actives.
If your situation is listed below "This does not apply to", you would be allowed to travel to the USA but you would need to self-quarantine yourself for 14 days upon arrival.
Also, when returning back to the UK, unless things change, you would need to self-isolate yourself again for 14 days after arrival. There are some exemptions for this. ( Currently up to 29 June )
May 24, 2020, 1:01 am
#767
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Vale of Glamorgan
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 2,991
As long as you're back before 8 June, you won't have to go into quarantine.
And there's no such thing as an English passport.
May 24, 2020, 2:07 am
#768
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,553
Rubbish. Quarantine is only a real barrier for those who need to go out to work.
Right now millions of people are furloughed or working from home. Not to mention millions more retirees, unemployed and those exempt for whatever reason.
Sure, a large proportion of them can’t or won’t want to fly right now. But there’s still a large pool of people who could fly without quarantine being a huge issue. There’s also cargo to consider so there’s no way BA will just give up flying for the whole of June & July, just as it hasn’t in April & May.
Right now millions of people are furloughed or working from home. Not to mention millions more retirees, unemployed and those exempt for whatever reason.
Sure, a large proportion of them can’t or won’t want to fly right now. But there’s still a large pool of people who could fly without quarantine being a huge issue. There’s also cargo to consider so there’s no way BA will just give up flying for the whole of June & July, just as it hasn’t in April & May.
May 24, 2020, 3:51 am
#769
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Programs: BA Gold / Hilton Diamond / IHG Diamond Ambassador / Marriot Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 2,533
Quarantine will not happen!
The guidance is weak and ineffective and poorly thought out. It’s seems more to promote the idea of a strong border force rather than the rather unpleasant “hostile environment” agency it actually is. It is littered with “where possible” which will be used by ALL under the “Cummings defence”
The decision by France to reciprocate was the nail in the coffin of this misconceived idea which frankly was 2 months too late.
We will have nations around the world putting reciprocal arrangements in place crippling travel with now unnecessary restrictions.
It could lead to Ryan Air routing all services via Dublin indeed even BA doing so under their IAG umbrella to circumvent the rules.
I want to travel on July 23rd. My destination is closed but may reopen in June. If it does then it seems I’ll require a test to show I am clear. That seems more reasonable but would probably still kill off travel.
the problem here is English exceptionalism and the idea that what is done here is world leading or worlds best. Rather, it’s different, doesn’t compliment or coordinate with others and leaves us isolated and lookIng silly And ridiculous. particularly as we have in excess 60,000 dead.
It has been handled appallingly
The guidance is weak and ineffective and poorly thought out. It’s seems more to promote the idea of a strong border force rather than the rather unpleasant “hostile environment” agency it actually is. It is littered with “where possible” which will be used by ALL under the “Cummings defence”
The decision by France to reciprocate was the nail in the coffin of this misconceived idea which frankly was 2 months too late.
We will have nations around the world putting reciprocal arrangements in place crippling travel with now unnecessary restrictions.
It could lead to Ryan Air routing all services via Dublin indeed even BA doing so under their IAG umbrella to circumvent the rules.
I want to travel on July 23rd. My destination is closed but may reopen in June. If it does then it seems I’ll require a test to show I am clear. That seems more reasonable but would probably still kill off travel.
the problem here is English exceptionalism and the idea that what is done here is world leading or worlds best. Rather, it’s different, doesn’t compliment or coordinate with others and leaves us isolated and lookIng silly And ridiculous. particularly as we have in excess 60,000 dead.
It has been handled appallingly
May 24, 2020, 4:28 am
#770
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,553
Quarantine will not happen!
The guidance is weak and ineffective and poorly thought out. It’s seems more to promote the idea of a strong border force rather than the rather unpleasant “hostile environment” agency it actually is. It is littered with “where possible” which will be used by ALL under the “Cummings defence”
The decision by France to reciprocate was the nail in the coffin of this misconceived idea which frankly was 2 months too late.
We will have nations around the world putting reciprocal arrangements in place crippling travel with now unnecessary restrictions.
It could lead to Ryan Air routing all services via Dublin indeed even BA doing so under their IAG umbrella to circumvent the rules.
I want to travel on July 23rd. My destination is closed but may reopen in June. If it does then it seems I’ll require a test to show I am clear. That seems more reasonable but would probably still kill off travel.
the problem here is English exceptionalism and the idea that what is done here is world leading or worlds best. Rather, it’s different, doesn’t compliment or coordinate with others and leaves us isolated and lookIng silly And ridiculous. particularly as we have in excess 60,000 dead.
It has been handled appallingly
The guidance is weak and ineffective and poorly thought out. It’s seems more to promote the idea of a strong border force rather than the rather unpleasant “hostile environment” agency it actually is. It is littered with “where possible” which will be used by ALL under the “Cummings defence”
The decision by France to reciprocate was the nail in the coffin of this misconceived idea which frankly was 2 months too late.
We will have nations around the world putting reciprocal arrangements in place crippling travel with now unnecessary restrictions.
It could lead to Ryan Air routing all services via Dublin indeed even BA doing so under their IAG umbrella to circumvent the rules.
I want to travel on July 23rd. My destination is closed but may reopen in June. If it does then it seems I’ll require a test to show I am clear. That seems more reasonable but would probably still kill off travel.
the problem here is English exceptionalism and the idea that what is done here is world leading or worlds best. Rather, it’s different, doesn’t compliment or coordinate with others and leaves us isolated and lookIng silly And ridiculous. particularly as we have in excess 60,000 dead.
It has been handled appallingly
ROI already has a 14-day quarantine so their situation is no better.
May 24, 2020, 4:33 am
#771
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Canada, USA, Europe
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 31,452
Hey people
not sure if this is the right form to ask (so i apologise in advance if it isn't)
but I've just got a quick question here
I need to be in New York next weekend and I will be back before the 8th june more like june 1st
will I be able to go?
Will I need to quarantine?
If I can go what are the things I need to know?
(I'm an English passport holder)
Thanks.
not sure if this is the right form to ask (so i apologise in advance if it isn't)
but I've just got a quick question here
I need to be in New York next weekend and I will be back before the 8th june more like june 1st
will I be able to go?
Will I need to quarantine?
If I can go what are the things I need to know?
(I'm an English passport holder)
Thanks.
May 24, 2020, 4:35 am
#772
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Canada, USA, Europe
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 31,452
May 24, 2020, 6:08 am
#773
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Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
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This is partially incorrect, you could go to the USA as a tourist if you haven't been to China, Iran, EU, UK and Ireland within the last 15 days.
There is no written statement that the USA is not accepting any non-citizens. Technically people outside the restricted zones could board a flight to the USA, obviously, the discretion accepting those people to the country is up to the CBP officer at the arrival airport.
There is no written statement that the USA is not accepting any non-citizens. Technically people outside the restricted zones could board a flight to the USA, obviously, the discretion accepting those people to the country is up to the CBP officer at the arrival airport.
May 24, 2020, 11:10 am
#774
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Programs: Top Tier with all 3 alliances
Posts: 11,668
This is partially incorrect, you could go to the USA as a tourist if you haven't been to China, Iran, EU, UK and Ireland within the last 15 days.
There is no written statement that the USA is not accepting any non-citizens. Technically people outside the restricted zones could board a flight to the USA, obviously, the discretion accepting those people to the country is up to the CBP officer at the arrival airport.
There is no written statement that the USA is not accepting any non-citizens. Technically people outside the restricted zones could board a flight to the USA, obviously, the discretion accepting those people to the country is up to the CBP officer at the arrival airport.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-coronavirus/
May 24, 2020, 11:13 am
#775
Ambassador, British Airways; FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Leeds, UK
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, GfL, HH Diamond
Posts: 42,963
This is partially incorrect, you could go to the USA as a tourist if you haven't been to China, Iran, EU, UK and Ireland within the last 15 days.
There is no written statement that the USA is not accepting any non-citizens. Technically people outside the restricted zones could board a flight to the USA, obviously, the discretion accepting those people to the country is up to the CBP officer at the arrival airport.
There is no written statement that the USA is not accepting any non-citizens. Technically people outside the restricted zones could board a flight to the USA, obviously, the discretion accepting those people to the country is up to the CBP officer at the arrival airport.
May 24, 2020, 3:49 pm
#776
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,553
Flights are still going to Latin America and most from there have always required visas anyway. So surely tourists coming from there for example would be able to get in as normal?
May 24, 2020, 4:40 pm
#777
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May 24, 2020, 4:48 pm
#778
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https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm
Published 14.05.2020
1. Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or in the United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
-This does not apply to:
- nationals and permanent residents of the USA;
- spouses of nationals and of permanent residents of the USA;
- parents/legal guardians of an unmarried and younger than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
- the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is unmarried and younger than 21 years;
- the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent resident of the USA;
- passengers with the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-1, C-1/D, C-2, C-3, D, E-1, G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, IR-4, IH-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
- members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
- passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation of the USA government for a purpose related to the containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
- passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is exempt from the restriction;
- B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar crewmember actives.
2. Passengers who have been in one of the countries listed in bullet number 1 in the past 14 days but are exempt from the restriction to enter the USA, must arrive at one of the following airports: Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago (ORD), Dallas, (DFW), Detroit (DTW), Honolulu (HNL), Los Angeles (LAX), Miami (MIA), New York (JFK or EWR), San Francisco (SFO), Seattle (SEA) and Washington (IAD).
3. Passengers who have been in Austria, Belgium, China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe) in the past 14 days but are exempt from the restriction to enter the USA, must self-quarantine for 14 days once they reach their final destination.
1. Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or in the United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
-This does not apply to:
- nationals and permanent residents of the USA;
- spouses of nationals and of permanent residents of the USA;
- parents/legal guardians of an unmarried and younger than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
- the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is unmarried and younger than 21 years;
- the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent resident of the USA;
- passengers with the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-1, C-1/D, C-2, C-3, D, E-1, G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, IR-4, IH-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
- members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
- passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation of the USA government for a purpose related to the containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
- passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is exempt from the restriction;
- B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar crewmember actives.
2. Passengers who have been in one of the countries listed in bullet number 1 in the past 14 days but are exempt from the restriction to enter the USA, must arrive at one of the following airports: Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago (ORD), Dallas, (DFW), Detroit (DTW), Honolulu (HNL), Los Angeles (LAX), Miami (MIA), New York (JFK or EWR), San Francisco (SFO), Seattle (SEA) and Washington (IAD).
3. Passengers who have been in Austria, Belgium, China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe) in the past 14 days but are exempt from the restriction to enter the USA, must self-quarantine for 14 days once they reach their final destination.
May 24, 2020, 4:48 pm
#779
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Currently no official regulation prohibits Latin Americans, Turkish, Russian, Brasilian, etc... who have a B2 visa to enter the USA unless they transfer via the restricted countries or been to the restricted countries within the last 14 days.
May 24, 2020, 4:50 pm
#780
Ambassador, British Airways; FlyerTalk Posting Legend
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Location: Leeds, UK
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I don't know about ESTA but with a B2 visa there is a way around. It's not the most convenient option but you could simply fly to a Latin or South American country that the borders are currently open for non-citizens ( example: Mexico ), stay 14 days there, and then fly to the US from there. It's not convenient and it would cost a lot of money and time but it would work for non-essential travel.