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Currently, there are two relevant official releases. I am posting the links and some extracted text for your reference, but please ensure that you refer to the latest information, rather than relying on the information below.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/...l-proclamation
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-coronavirus/
The UK and Ireland are now affected by this ban. Non-Schengen countries in the EU are: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland and Romania.
Copied from the documents linked above:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/...l-proclamation
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-coronavirus/
The UK and Ireland are now affected by this ban. Non-Schengen countries in the EU are: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland and Romania.
Copied from the documents linked above:
Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.
Effective Date. This proclamation is effective at 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020. This proclamation does not apply to persons aboard a flight scheduled to arrive in the United States that departed prior to 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020.
Termination. This proclamation shall remain in effect until terminated by the President.
Termination. This proclamation shall remain in effect until terminated by the President.
US Ban: BA flight Canx/Rebook Info & Help ONLY *No general discussion/speculation*
#121
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We have flights in and out of LHR from SFO for April 16th dept and April 26th return. We have Eurostar tix purchased for trip to Paris. I assume the trains are still running between St Pancras and Gare du Nord?
Assuming things don't change, we are currently outside the window for any type of waivers on rebooking or cancellation fees. I have no plans to make any changes and will continue to wait and see how things play out as our dept. date approaches.
Assuming things don't change, we are currently outside the window for any type of waivers on rebooking or cancellation fees. I have no plans to make any changes and will continue to wait and see how things play out as our dept. date approaches.
#122
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I have a booking CDG -> LHR -> USA and return, booked through an OTA to make things additionally interesting. Before I get into a discussion with the OTA, does anyone have confirmation whether BA will allow us to drop the CDG -> LON leg without paying fare difference (which is over Ł1,000 per person in my case)?
#123
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BA Holidays
Any word yet on how any of this applies to Flight + Hotel or Flight + Car 'Holiday' bookings?
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#125
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I booked an ex-OSL to US flight yesterday.
Not sure what my options are now.
Seems to be a similarly priced (maybe Ł40 more) LHR-US flight the following week, with mine having gone up by at least Ł200.
Not sure what my options are now.
Seems to be a similarly priced (maybe Ł40 more) LHR-US flight the following week, with mine having gone up by at least Ł200.
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Update 5 - some meaty changes on this one, though arguably they are clarifications.
So this still covers travel until and including 11 March to and from the USA. Rebooking is still 12 April to 1 August, Joint Business flights included. The wording is clearer: "Waive change fees but ticket will need to be requoted and any difference in fare charged to the customer".
Changes to origin, destination and stopover - all still allowed.
Refunds, this is the big clarification, it's not an e-voucher, which would be easy to manage. Instead it's a retained value on the booking: "for BA-125 ticketed customers yet to start their journey, the value of the original tickets may be held and used as part payment towards a future booking. This must be redeemed for travel on flights taken within 12 months from the date of the first flight in the original booking". Don't shoot the messenger!
This remains the case for operating flights, I wouldn't be surprised if there are flight cancellations ahead, in which case the Standard Customer Guidelines apply, including a full cash refund.
So this still covers travel until and including 11 March to and from the USA. Rebooking is still 12 April to 1 August, Joint Business flights included. The wording is clearer: "Waive change fees but ticket will need to be requoted and any difference in fare charged to the customer".
Changes to origin, destination and stopover - all still allowed.
Refunds, this is the big clarification, it's not an e-voucher, which would be easy to manage. Instead it's a retained value on the booking: "for BA-125 ticketed customers yet to start their journey, the value of the original tickets may be held and used as part payment towards a future booking. This must be redeemed for travel on flights taken within 12 months from the date of the first flight in the original booking". Don't shoot the messenger!
This remains the case for operating flights, I wouldn't be surprised if there are flight cancellations ahead, in which case the Standard Customer Guidelines apply, including a full cash refund.
#127
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A source with the State Department told CNN they will extend the prohibition to the UK if the cases continue to rise there.
The department's level 3 warning included the UK and the rest of the world. State official tells have said they did that knowing it would greatly reduce all international travel by Americans.
The department's level 3 warning included the UK and the rest of the world. State official tells have said they did that knowing it would greatly reduce all international travel by Americans.
#128
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Can confirm the updates from other users.
I have MAD-LHR-LAX in WT+ travel April 3rd.
The options I was given after an extensive conversation, ultimately with a call manager were:
1. Refund not an option, but could cancel and offset the cost of a new booking with the amount already paid.
2. Change to UK departure would incur no change fee, but difference in fare (which for us was about Ł2500 per ticket) which is more than a new ticket (Ł1600), same flights.
3. Change flights to a date between 12th April - 1st August for no fee.
I reasoned that the most common sense thing would be to drop the MAD - LHR leg and I would pay the increased APD but apparently this is impossible and there is no way this can be worked out.
Opting to wait and see, hoping that BA allow EU legs to be dropped.
I have MAD-LHR-LAX in WT+ travel April 3rd.
The options I was given after an extensive conversation, ultimately with a call manager were:
1. Refund not an option, but could cancel and offset the cost of a new booking with the amount already paid.
2. Change to UK departure would incur no change fee, but difference in fare (which for us was about Ł2500 per ticket) which is more than a new ticket (Ł1600), same flights.
3. Change flights to a date between 12th April - 1st August for no fee.
I reasoned that the most common sense thing would be to drop the MAD - LHR leg and I would pay the increased APD but apparently this is impossible and there is no way this can be worked out.
Opting to wait and see, hoping that BA allow EU legs to be dropped.
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Disappointing to read that, but nevertheless thank you so much for coming online to explain this, it will definitely help other travellers. Welcome to Flyertalk stuwizzle, and welcome to the BA forum, thank you for joining up with us today.
#130
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I was scheduled to fly this coming Saturday JFK-LHR-DXB to a cruise, with the return toward the end of this month. The booking was made last September with a GUF2 expiring in October, outbound upgraded from CW to F and inbound upgraded from WTP to CW. 18 hours ago (2 days after the UAE closed all cruise ship ports) I finally received a notice that my cruise had been cancelled; when I called BA this morning (~9:30 US Eastern time; on hold for ~15 minutes before being connected to an agent), I was given the following options. (Note that these were given despite my booking originally not being US-Schengen.)
- Re-book without change fee (but paying fare difference) for flights completed by 01 August (could include origin/destination changes) - this is spelled out in update 4.
- Re-book for flights ending after 01 August but pay a change fee.
- Hold the ticket value until no later than 1 year after ticket purchase date (so mid-September for me), and then probably have to pay a change fee unless they decide otherwise in a future update.
The agent seemed to be steering me toward the last option, but I decided against that as it was unclear for how long I would be able to use the ticket value (maybe only until mid-Sept 2020; it it could have been confirmed for use into summer 2021 I would have chosen this). Instead, I booked JFK-LHR-<Schengen> and return for late August - early September (matching dates up with a European cruise), with both directions in J; the agent volunteered to apply my expired GUF2 to this new itinerary. I don't think using my expired GUF2 was official policy, but the agent may have just felt sorry for me having to pay a change fee (see below).
Costs involved:
- My return flights JFK-Schengen all in CW were ~ Ł350 less expensive than my original JFK-DXB return with outbound paid in CW and return paid in WTP, so I lost Ł350 in ticket value. (Note that BA will not allow ticket value to be used for change fees.)
- I also had to pay the $500 change fee, but I will be returned $140 in excess taxes/fees plus my cruise line will refund up to $400 in change fees, so potentially a net gain of $40 i.e. ~Ł32.
- My GUF2 will only be used on two flight segments instead of the 4 that were in the original itinerary, but I get 3 CCR visits instead of 2.
I'm reasonably happy with this outcome, mostly because I expected to come out much worse from this. I might have been better off using the third option above, but the intersection of my available vacation days before mid-September and cruise dates in Europe on cruise lines/itineraries I would want to take was very limited; if I didn't book something now I was concerned that all of my desired cruise options to use these flights with would disappear.
Sorry for the length of this post; I hope it helps...
Added: it looks like I made a less-than-ideal choice, as update 5 explicitly confirms that I could have used the ticket value until March of 2021.
Last edited by HPN-HRL; Mar 12, 2020 at 2:10 pm Reason: Update 5
#131
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Can confirm the updates from other users.
I have MAD-LHR-LAX in WT+ travel April 3rd.
The options I was given after an extensive conversation, ultimately with a call manager were:
1. Refund not an option, but could cancel and offset the cost of a new booking with the amount already paid.
2. Change to UK departure would incur no change fee, but difference in fare (which for us was about Ł2500 per ticket) which is more than a new ticket (Ł1600), same flights.
3. Change flights to a date between 12th April - 1st August for no fee.
I reasoned that the most common sense thing would be to drop the MAD - LHR leg and I would pay the increased APD but apparently this is impossible and there is no way this can be worked out.
Opting to wait and see, hoping that BA allow EU legs to be dropped.
I have MAD-LHR-LAX in WT+ travel April 3rd.
The options I was given after an extensive conversation, ultimately with a call manager were:
1. Refund not an option, but could cancel and offset the cost of a new booking with the amount already paid.
2. Change to UK departure would incur no change fee, but difference in fare (which for us was about Ł2500 per ticket) which is more than a new ticket (Ł1600), same flights.
3. Change flights to a date between 12th April - 1st August for no fee.
I reasoned that the most common sense thing would be to drop the MAD - LHR leg and I would pay the increased APD but apparently this is impossible and there is no way this can be worked out.
Opting to wait and see, hoping that BA allow EU legs to be dropped.
#132
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I suspect that people hoping that BA will simply allow them to drop ex EU first legs will be sorely disappointed. BA is a commercial organisation and itself under pressure from all this. They are likely to stick to their rules to protect themselves and their staff and shareholders as much as possible.
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#134
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I suspect that people hoping that BA will simply allow them to drop ex EU first legs will be sorely disappointed. BA is a commercial organisation and itself under pressure from all this. They are likely to stick to their rules to protect themselves and their staff and shareholders as much as possible.
#135
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Great idea in theory but surely a “2 week stopover” would yield a massive fare difference? Or are we saying no fare difference payable if you keep same itinerary?