Disembarking Heavily Loaded Planes

Old Feb 17, 20, 3:53 pm
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Disembarking Heavily Loaded Planes

So I was on the BA782 to ARN today. It was very heavily loaded and all the CE middle seats were put into use. Which I understand in the circumstances.

The Captain was excellent in keeping us updated. When we arrived at ARN and as the engines spooled down he warned us in a thunderous voice that we must stay seated with our seat belts on. A few minutes later he explained why. The plane was so loaded with humans and baggage that if everyone started getting up, especially at the front, the plane would tip to the back, weíd all slither back that way and particularly those at the back would rather regret it. Or words to that effect.

So we waited with surprising patience while they took a couple of luggage containers off. Iíve never in 40 years flying come across that before. So there is something new under the sun after all....
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Old Feb 17, 20, 3:58 pm
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Thatís a novelty Iíve yet to experience. By thunderous voice, are you talking Geoffrey Cox MP thunderous?
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Old Feb 17, 20, 3:59 pm
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I haven't yet had an experience of this, but this presumably was a A321 NEO flight. BA actually can't sell all the seats on it at the moment due to the risk that you mentioned, more details in the main NEO thread. There's some software modification needed before EASA will approve full loads. I am surprised that the captain's words were respected, when I read in that thread of this possibility I felt that someone, somewhere, would think this doesn't apply to them and before you know it everyone would be up on their feet.

I have been on flights where they couldn't open doors due to the risk of a strong gust of wind would roll the aircraft over.
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:00 pm
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There are some good pictures of aircraft with their tails on the ground but I don't know whether it has happened with passengers on board.
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:06 pm
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Its a know problem with some Airbus models

this pic shows the problem on a 320

https://www.aviation24.be/wp-content...ail-tipped.jpg

as people get off at the front the aircraft becomes too heavy at the back and tips. TO resolve the issues the remove some of the containers from the rear first
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave View Post
I haven't yet had an experience of this, but this presumably was a A321 NEO flight.
It was, yes. I presume there must have been some spare seats down the back as all CE was full: seven rows of six per row.

as to respecting the captain’s announcement, he had been a model of keeping us informed and apologising for delays and for the situation in CE, so I think by the time we were at ARN he had built up a fair amount of credit

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That’s a novelty I’ve yet to experience. By thunderous voice, are you talking Geoffrey Cox MP thunderous?
No, more concerned parent seeing child putting chubby fingers in a electric socket thunderous.
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishpoet View Post
Its a know problem with some Airbus models

this pic shows the problem on a 320

https://www.aviation24.be/wp-content...ail-tipped.jpg
Except that’s a 737. 😉

edit: was..
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by FallOfTheWall View Post
Except thatís a 737. 😉

edit: was..
yes I saw that problem after i posted so changed the photo
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Jet2 disembark their 757s from door 2L. The front rows are held back for a while so it doesn't get too "rear heavy".
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Originally Posted by scottishpoet View Post
yes I saw that problem after i posted so changed the photo
Many B739 operators use tail stands to avoid this potential problem on the ground.
https://i.redd.it/fnsb3wwsfuv01.jpg
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA View Post
Jet2 disembark their 757s from door 2L. The front rows are held back for a while so it doesn't get too "rear heavy".
They were also keen to keep people moving forwards on a 737 the other day, warning us that unless they had a certain number of pax in first 10 rows the plane could tip back.
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:31 pm
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This also happened on my A320 flight to MAD today. The Capt asked all passengers to wait disembarking the A320 until some of the baggage/cargo had be unloaded from the rear of the aircraft. Reason was high amount/weight of baggage/cargo. I thought high amount of baggage/cargo was due to the HAL IT/Storm Dennis that impacted LHR on 16th Feb.
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Old Feb 17, 20, 4:43 pm
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A friend was on this ARN service today and has just been talking about this on FB.

The captain was apparently very good.
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Old Feb 17, 20, 5:05 pm
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Simples. Just stick CE down the back!! 😂
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Old Feb 17, 20, 6:30 pm
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Originally posted by corporate-wage-slave:
There's some software modification needed before EASA will approve full loads.
I would have thought that software mods could alleviate handling problems but would have no effect on static stability on the ground. To remove the tip-up risk it will be necessary to move the centre of mass forward relative to the main landing gear.
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