BA 2167 seat fire & emergency landing / evacuation
#16
Join Date: May 2006
Location: 5 miles from EMA
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The QR safety video specifically tells passangers not to play with the seat controls if they drop their phone into the business class seat, but to call the cabin crew instead. I thought that was an unusual thing to have in the safety video, but there we are! Didn't appreciate how serious a situation this could cause.
#17
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: UK
Programs: BA Silver, IHG Platinum
Posts: 939
Having dropped my phone previously (twice) whilst in economy, I can vouch that it typically ends up at the feet of the passenger behind. Or, if you're daft enough to do it on take-off (guilty), the passenger three rows behind. Not great really!
#19
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: GLA
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 2,958
Indeed - I’ve certainly noticed it, but I’d always just assumed it was because you didn’t want pax ripping seats apart. Perhaps it would be worth explaining why this is an issue - I can’t believe I’m the only person who didn’t know.
#20
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Programs: Mucci des Hommes Magiques et Magnifiques
Posts: 19,072
I think it’s pretty clear to be honest, the announcement is below.
If you are seated in our First or Club World cabin please take
care that your personal electronic device does not obstruct the
adjustment of your seat. If your device does get lost within your
seat, please do not move the seat and let one of us know.
If you are seated in our First or Club World cabin please take
care that your personal electronic device does not obstruct the
adjustment of your seat. If your device does get lost within your
seat, please do not move the seat and let one of us know.
#21
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: north of heathrow
Posts: 1,106
“ If you have any questions, please ask a member of the crew”. I’m still having to explain why you can’t have bags on the floor by the emergency exit, why seatbelts need to be on for take off AND landing AND turbulence, why that large bag needs to go into the overhead locker. Always ask, there isn’t time for a safety video that explains why such things need to be done.
#22
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London
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I think it’s pretty clear to be honest, the announcement is below.
If you are seated in our First or Club World cabin please take
care that your personal electronic device does not obstruct the
adjustment of your seat. If your device does get lost within your
seat, please do not move the seat and let one of us know.
If you are seated in our First or Club World cabin please take
care that your personal electronic device does not obstruct the
adjustment of your seat. If your device does get lost within your
seat, please do not move the seat and let one of us know.
#23
Join Date: Dec 2016
Programs: BAEC GGL/CR; Hilton Diamond; Mucci des Puccis
Posts: 5,581
Possibly an announcement such as "should your mobile phone slip into the seat and thereby start a fire, it will be destroyed, and you will be unable to video the ensuing evacuation for use on Instagram or sale to news agencies" would be more effective.
#24
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: YYC
Programs: BA bronze, Aeroplan peon
Posts: 4,742
I've found the CW seat to amongst the worst for places to store things. There are no cubbys for eyeglasses or phones, aside from the shoe drawer, and that is inaccessible when the seat is flat. Most other airlines J seats have small storage places for glasses and phones - as does the new suites I hear.
#25
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 724
It's also the reason why personal items with these batteries are better off in the cabin than in the hold. If one does explode it can be extinguished by trained personnel in the cabin if they can access it - in the hold they can burn too hot for standard fire suppression devices installed on aircraft.
#26
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 1,462
With the difference that if, one day, a plane load of passengers dies because of a mobile phone fire, the original source of the fire may be traceable by the investigation (unlike the attributability of any particular injury or death to any particular piece of hand baggage). And if it is, then action may finally be taken.
In the meantime, cabin crew will just have to keep honing their firefighting skills.
In the meantime, cabin crew will just have to keep honing their firefighting skills.
By speaking of attribution and taking action are you implying that blaming the passenger for an accident that could happen to any one of us, making them a scapegoat for all battery related incidents etc. will solve the problem?
#27
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 724
Your comment confuses me, do you believe that mobile devices should be banned?
By speaking of attribution and taking action are you implying that blaming the passenger for an accident that could happen to any one of us, making them a scapegoat for all battery related incidents etc. will solve the problem?
By speaking of attribution and taking action are you implying that blaming the passenger for an accident that could happen to any one of us, making them a scapegoat for all battery related incidents etc. will solve the problem?
Whenever it's an e-cigarette battery that goes up people call for them to be banned. Nice to see people saying the same when it's a mobile or laptop!
#28
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So this is about causes of accidents, not blaming specific individuals if there is an accident (even if they are individuals who chose to ignore what was in the safety briefing).
#30
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Flatland
Programs: AA Lifetime Gold 1MM, BA Gold, UA Peon
Posts: 6,106
E-cigs are very dangerous compared to laptops and phones. The construction of e-cigs is much cheaper (therefore worse) than phones or laptops, they're often modified by the users to draw more power from the battery which causes serious safety risks, and they inherently have heating elements next to batteries while laptops have cooling mechanisms and phones have thermal shut-down (if your phone gets too hot it will turn itself off).