777-300ER Club Suite Config: F8 J76 W40 Y130
 

Spotted from a Facebook group. Appears to be on BA173 rotation to JFK from September.

Club Suite is long, but split over the front three cabins after first. Y goes 10 across as expected and F shrinks from 14 to 8.

Seems the 77W’s will inherit more of the high-J 747 network, so perhaps with the A350 3-class and 4-class configs taking some of the existing 77W network?

Goes from Row 5 to 18 being the last Club Suite row, row 18 shows only two Club Suite seats together..the bassinet seats are row 8E/F and 18E/F

A number of my JFK flights for 2020 have switched to the new aircraft. Any suggestions on the best seats?

Well that has to be the most premium heavy 777 anywhere to be found.

For routes like HND, HKG and SIN/SYD, I can’t help but think that there is going to be a gap between the 77Ws being reconfigured and the arrival of the 779. All of those routes would seem to require F, which rules out the A350. Also, the need for cargo capacity rules out the 78X as I’m sure it would be payload restricted on those longer routes.

You’re right, to a point. For reference the current layout is
14F/56J/44W/183Y. My guess is that BA will oversell W and Y in the interim, if the 77W makes sense overall. W could be fertile ground for upgrades on SIN-SYD, for example. The other option would be 4 class 772s, but if cargo is important the 77W is a monster. For SIN and HKG they might decide to send two 77Ws instead of a 77W/A380 combination which would reign the F and J numbers back a bit. 173J between the 77w and A380 seems a heck of a lot for any destination served twice daily.

BA do have a lot of options, the later A350s might get the rumoured 4 class layout or routes might see F dropped. Sin-SYD could go A350, for example. Some routes will have to loose F as 3 class A350s come to replace the 4 class 747s. It won’t be many though - I don’t think any 777s are loosing F during the CS refit?

Some 777s are losing first. All YMM* frames with first are losing them and replaced with club suite

Anyone got a pic of layout?

Wonder how it compares to NH's 8F 64J 24W 116Y. NH has F/J/W occupying front to 4th set of doors, Y is 10across

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/AN...7-300ER_G.php#

UA doesn't have first, have 60J 24W 266Y, Y/W to 3rd set of doors
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Un...77-300ER_A.php

NH is/was the least density premium. UA is the highest density premium (due to Polaris seats, can cram more in same space). Want to compare

I hadn’t realised that. Thanks for clarifying. It will be interesting to see what moves to Gatwick if BA increase the 777 fleet there - all the remaining refits are due to get CS I think.
https://pointmetotheplane.boardingar...d-suite-cabin/
Expertflyer has a seatmap for the 77W. 8F and 12J between doors 1&2, 40J between doors 2&3, 22J & 40W between 3&4, 130Y between doors 4&5. It’s not clear where the galleys and toilets are going to be from that map, but currently the galleys are at 2L/R and the toilets at 3L/R. I suspect the layout will remain broadly the same. This will almost certainly mean a lot of traffic in the aisles at mealtimes in the large middle cabin but the forward and rear sections will be fairly undisturbed, although meals might take a while to be delivered to the rearmost sections. Hand delivering the trays on these will be a nightmare. Especially on short overnights from the East Coast which is predicted to be the main role for the refitted 77Ws.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4657e92c3.jpeg

Well, I wanted to see the layout and how the seats were squeezed together between the different exit doors

NH is/was the least density premium heavy (only 212 seats on plane). UA is the highest density premium heavy (due to Polaris seats, can cram more in same space). Want to compare

Changing to 10 abreast seating in Y as well.....

Will these new High J 777-300s replace all the 747 JFK services? Or will the 747 hang around on some JFK rotations until they retire?

One data point is to compare the number of seats between doors 2 and 3. NH has 44 seats, whilst BA has 42. Of course, toilet and galley positions will vary. Having flown NH, one of the things I dislike is that half of the window seats are not actually window seats, given how they offset alternating rows! Likewise, if you are travelling as a couple (heaven forbid!) centre seats are spaced apart. I think BA are onto a winner!

NH's new 212 seat (the one I linked) fixes the window and couple (in middle seats together) problems

Same as BA, both NH&BA will take time to refresh their 77W to the new layouts

As more 777s are refurbished more 747s will go. I believe by the time they move to terminal 8 it should be only the 777s operating the JFK route.

That is actually so sad...the end of an era for JFK and the 747.

Do you think the 787-10 will ever appear at JFK?

It’s a possibility but I’m not sure. I think it’s highly likely though, given the aircraft is built for those type of routes. Maybe as the 777-200ERs begin to fold up. But that’s from 2025

We will have to see....

I would have thought the deciding factors are firstly volume (lots of club seats on the hi-J 747. Would need a new high-J config on another type) and then competitive cabin (with new Virgin Upper Class, Delta One & United Polaris on LON-NYC, plus Club Suite on other flights). With a large Club configuration like this on the 777s, I wonder if the 747 won’t be staying around on JFK to the end? Perhaps a few sectors during the final season?

I understand BA are moving all 74’s onto routes that require 3 crew as a way of solving their crewing shortages. This can be seen by the removal from East Coast routes and more appearances on West Coast, such as SJC.

These are the flights planned as of December 6th taken from https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-06dec19/.

"Planned new 4-class 777-300ER (F8J76W40Y130) set to enter operation in the 3rd quarter of 2020,on London Heathrow – New York JFK route:
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 – 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 – 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 – 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20"

The following I think will make up the LGW fleet once the refits are done, all with old Club World.

G-VIIO/P/R/T/U/V/W/X/Y
G-YMMA/B/C/D/E/F/R/S

G-YMME is being refitted now. G-YMMA/R/S are due to be done soon and will transfer LHR - LGW when done.

My money for JFK is a mix of 772 and 77W. Maybe 787-10 on EWR.

Just following up Schind's quote, the same source gave the following for other routes for the 200 series, though it will take some digging to get all the exact dates. And then on any given day it could be substituted. I may wiki this here, but let me just check the reaction first.

Planned new 4-class 777-200ER to operate following routes during summer season (specific flights/periods not listed here):
London Heathrow – Abuja
London Heathrow – Abu Dhabi
London Heathrow – Bahrain – Dammam
London Heathrow – Moscow Domodedovo
London Heathrow – Nassau – Grand Cayman
London Heathrow – Newark
London Heathrow – Toronto

Planned new 4-class 777-300ER (F8J76W40Y130) set to enter operation in the 3rd quarter of 2020,on London Heathrow – New York JFK route:
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 – 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 – 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 – 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20

Initially on 3 of the JFKs each day from October from what BA have filed with OAG

interesting BA can fit two rows of F and THREE rows of club between forward two doors when others like AA and CX basically fit 2 and 2 rows, respectively.

Suspect that unlike AA and CX, BA wont have toilets just in front of door 2

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Update on the new club suite 777-300ER routes

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-04sep20/

Seeing as none of the 77W aircraft have yet been refurbished, I'm assuming it's the new deliveries that will be operating these routes this winter.

yes, i believe so. I think we might have some refurbs done before S21 season

We're flying on a refurbished 77W with our 1-year-old and oddly the Club Suite seat selection online does not show rows 19-24. Has anyone experienced that when selecting seats in Manage my Booking? I spoke to BA on the phone who suggested that the bassinet locations are in 19A/K - the rows I can't even select without calling BA - and I was wondering if anyone can confirm that?

I've seen the map when doing dummy bookings and 19A/K are indeed the Bassinet seats. There were some more when the seat map was first loaded though, but they seem to have reduced them down to 2. As for rows 19 to 24 not showing up, I'm not entirely sure why that's happening, but I guess it's a BA IT glitch.

Perfect, thank you for confirming!

You're welcome. Also welcome Flyertalk:)

First 77w with club suite delivered today. It will enter service on the 7th of October. First flight is to New York JFK; BA 113 after which on the 16th G-STBM will move onto the two weekly Malé rotation

Yes, same for me - noted here in the 777 seating thread. I see that it still the same in MMB - the BA map shows only up to row 18 whereas the ExpertFlyer map shows an additional 6 rows.

Is 76J completely wrong for 2021? I get they could likely fill one flight but on routes with frequency like JFK, I wonder if that's going to pan out to be optimistic?
These were planned for the pre COVID business market.

76J is still a bit over the top at the moment. But some markets will hold it. No where near Covid levels but some will hold it. The 76J reconfig has been slowed down significantly