Pre-Boarding in the Corridor and Airbridge - BA now a true LCC?
#16
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Don't want to be that person who holds up 180 people by spending forever sorting out their bits and bobs in row 1.
Same with security. Belt off ready, toiletries in hand etc.
At the end of the day, it's all about hitting targets, KPIs, and passing the buck.
If the desk agents board everyone in 15 mins, then the onus to get things done on time passes onto say the ramp / dispatcher / ground crews and so on.
Makes your on time performance figures look good especially if it's a third party such as Menzies working on behalf of BA.
Last edited by xenole; Nov 4, 2019 at 7:19 am
#18
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: London, UK
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Flying CE from Valencia this summer and had an awfully long wait on the jetbridge, maybe 20-30 minutes. It was also 39°c that day and there was no AC, so pax were getting frustrated and very hot!
I haven’t experienced this on any of my other flights this year though.
I haven’t experienced this on any of my other flights this year though.
#19
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
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Was travelling from Madrid with someone needing assistance which was requested. Asked to preboard was told no as group 1. Ended up being the first to board when the called boarding only to be held at aircrsft door for 10 minutes. Feedback to BA who shrugged it off.
#20
Join Date: May 2006
Location: GVA
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I think BA might well be contravening Health and Safety regulations on this one based on a quick reading of the CAA guidance which suggests airbridges are for passenger movements - embarkation and disembarkation - rather than as a holding area or gate add on facility. The regs also mention something about airbridges not being left unattended during passenger movements. Having experienced being held on the airbridges in Malaga recently with the aircraft door slightly closed (Aka “not ready for boarding) and no ground staff on the airbridge, BA might need to be reminded. If the aircraft is not ready for passengers, you could argue that they shouldn’t be on the airbridge......
#21
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
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All it achieves ultimately is ‘great - we’ve now achieved 35 minute turnarounds with 98% punctuality so I’m setting you a stretch objective of 30 minute turnarounds’. It’s a self-fulfilling race to the bottom and it needs someone senior to say ‘is this the right way to treat customers?’ ‘How does this affect our brand?’ ‘What do customers think?’
As a mainly now leisure traveller in club, this change was the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of loyalty - I will now look at other non-BA options too such as *A. Whether sufficient numbers are doing it, I don’t know, but it is not how an airline such as BA should do things in my view.
Ultimately though it’s a numbers game, isn’t it?
As a mainly now leisure traveller in club, this change was the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of loyalty - I will now look at other non-BA options too such as *A. Whether sufficient numbers are doing it, I don’t know, but it is not how an airline such as BA should do things in my view.
Ultimately though it’s a numbers game, isn’t it?
#22
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#23
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All it achieves ultimately is ‘great - we’ve now achieved 35 minute turnarounds with 98% punctuality so I’m setting you a stretch objective of 30 minute turnarounds’. It’s a self-fulfilling race to the bottom and it needs someone senior to say ‘is this the right way to treat customers?’ ‘How does this affect our brand?’ ‘What do customers think?’
As a mainly now leisure traveller in club, this change was the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of loyalty - I will now look at other non-BA options too such as *A. Whether sufficient numbers are doing it, I don’t know, but it is not how an airline such as BA should do things in my view.
Ultimately though it’s a numbers game, isn’t it?
As a mainly now leisure traveller in club, this change was the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of loyalty - I will now look at other non-BA options too such as *A. Whether sufficient numbers are doing it, I don’t know, but it is not how an airline such as BA should do things in my view.
Ultimately though it’s a numbers game, isn’t it?
#25
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,217
This is a very annoying example of BA’s current schizophrenia. Customers value being punctual, surveys say. Rotational delays hurt BA, data say. Rotational delays have a tendency to creep up during the day, so much so that a handful of minutes on the first flight becomes an hour for the last.
All this is true.
The result is an inordinate focus on departure punctuality. Gate closed at minus whatever, doors closed at -5 and woe betide the unfortunate sod who gets given the delay. The result is that the gate just cares about shoving people in, cleaning cares only about getting off the plane, catering about shoving everything in the galleys, the dispatcher cares only about closing the doors on time and crews are left holding everyone’s babies (not literally).
And here’s when it gets batsh*t crazy. The planes have been densified, but the times have remained the same. It ends up that a 321neo has more passengers than a 789 but the SOPs give it less time to board, despite having one less door and one less aisle, and a hell of a lot less space in the overhead bins, which are bound to be rammed because no one has had the courage to tackle the hand baggage situation, no one is paying a bit extra for the larger A350-style bins like Delta did or no one is trying to rein in the (mis)use of HBO fares. People run around like headless chicken, shoving passengers in, pi**ing everyone off in the process, only then to spend 30 minutes in a stack over Bromley-by-Bow or Woking because there’s congestion on the airfield.
BTW all this has been highlighted to senior management (COO) before the summer started.
All this is true.
The result is an inordinate focus on departure punctuality. Gate closed at minus whatever, doors closed at -5 and woe betide the unfortunate sod who gets given the delay. The result is that the gate just cares about shoving people in, cleaning cares only about getting off the plane, catering about shoving everything in the galleys, the dispatcher cares only about closing the doors on time and crews are left holding everyone’s babies (not literally).
And here’s when it gets batsh*t crazy. The planes have been densified, but the times have remained the same. It ends up that a 321neo has more passengers than a 789 but the SOPs give it less time to board, despite having one less door and one less aisle, and a hell of a lot less space in the overhead bins, which are bound to be rammed because no one has had the courage to tackle the hand baggage situation, no one is paying a bit extra for the larger A350-style bins like Delta did or no one is trying to rein in the (mis)use of HBO fares. People run around like headless chicken, shoving passengers in, pi**ing everyone off in the process, only then to spend 30 minutes in a stack over Bromley-by-Bow or Woking because there’s congestion on the airfield.
BTW all this has been highlighted to senior management (COO) before the summer started.
#26
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: London, UK
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As someone who regularly flies from Valencia, I think BA are facing a significant risk with what is now the usual practice of holding passengers in the jetbridge for what is typically 10 minutes plus. The first few in the queue get far enough down to be in the shade but from about the tenth person onwards the queue is effectively in a glass greenhouse which, and most obviously in the summer, does get very hot to the point of people regularly complaining of feeling faint and/or ill. There is air conditioning further down the bridge towards the aircraft but it doesn’t reach far back and anyway doesn’t always work.
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#27
Join Date: May 2016
Location: EDI
Programs: Was BA GGL but no longer travelling
Posts: 583
At EDI not all gates have airbridges so we sometimes wait at the bottom of the steps at tarmac level, door open, watching the plane whilst getting blasted in horizontal rain. It's all part of the journey experience
#28
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Aberdeen
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And they can't even provide covered steps from Dalcross handling at Gate 5 - the BA gate - unlike for KLM and AF. Presume that is yet another cost saving.
#29
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lincoln, UK
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Standing on the jet bridge is an inconvenience. Stand in the queue at the gate or stand in the queue on the jet bridge? Temperature and humidity excepted, it's all the same.
What I really want BA to sort out is having to stand in the queue with everyone else on a jet bridge holding your First ticket to seat 1A on a long haul. I choose not to arrive at the gate at the start of boarding to maximise lounge time or end of boarding - I am too risk averse. I can see a second leg to the jet bridge, parked next to door 1L unconnected. Why have that second leg to the jet bridge not to use on most occasions? This is far from a Premium experience and a simple fix - but then labour costs money so the bean counters would not agree to that.
What I really want BA to sort out is having to stand in the queue with everyone else on a jet bridge holding your First ticket to seat 1A on a long haul. I choose not to arrive at the gate at the start of boarding to maximise lounge time or end of boarding - I am too risk averse. I can see a second leg to the jet bridge, parked next to door 1L unconnected. Why have that second leg to the jet bridge not to use on most occasions? This is far from a Premium experience and a simple fix - but then labour costs money so the bean counters would not agree to that.
#30
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,217
Standing on the jet bridge is an inconvenience. Stand in the queue at the gate or stand in the queue on the jet bridge? Temperature and humidity excepted, it's all the same.
What I really want BA to sort out is having to stand in the queue with everyone else on a jet bridge holding your First ticket to seat 1A on a long haul. I choose not to arrive at the gate at the start of boarding to maximise lounge time or end of boarding - I am too risk averse. I can see a second leg to the jet bridge, parked next to door 1L unconnected. Why have that second leg to the jet bridge not to use on most occasions? This is far from a Premium experience and a simple fix - but then labour costs money so the bean counters would not agree to that.
What I really want BA to sort out is having to stand in the queue with everyone else on a jet bridge holding your First ticket to seat 1A on a long haul. I choose not to arrive at the gate at the start of boarding to maximise lounge time or end of boarding - I am too risk averse. I can see a second leg to the jet bridge, parked next to door 1L unconnected. Why have that second leg to the jet bridge not to use on most occasions? This is far from a Premium experience and a simple fix - but then labour costs money so the bean counters would not agree to that.
Plus there’s the lovely 787. The outer concertina flap, on door 1L, sits some 20-30 cm from one of the artificial horizon probes. I know dispatchers that flatly refuse to go anywhere door 1 because of that.