BA’s plans in Australia
Oct 21, 2019, 6:12 am
#31
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I was just thinking about this yesterday!
BA could actually fill the seats LHR-SIN most days , there is huge amount of business demand and sometimes it can be hard to get a seat. SIN-SYD I am not so sure, they are one of the cheaper options on this route for the local traffic, though that suggests yield isn't great and they'd be happy to give up the lowest fare Y passengers who just fly this segment.
I thought I read that some of the A350 will have an F cabin, so maybe one of those? Since presumably we will start seeing the 77W on some routes replacing the HI-J 747s instead.
BA could actually fill the seats LHR-SIN most days , there is huge amount of business demand and sometimes it can be hard to get a seat. SIN-SYD I am not so sure, they are one of the cheaper options on this route for the local traffic, though that suggests yield isn't great and they'd be happy to give up the lowest fare Y passengers who just fly this segment.
I thought I read that some of the A350 will have an F cabin, so maybe one of those? Since presumably we will start seeing the 77W on some routes replacing the HI-J 747s instead.
Oct 21, 2019, 6:34 am
#32
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...from-next-year
Oct 21, 2019, 7:11 am
#33
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For passengers originating in Australia, the QF domestic to QF international (and vv) connection at SYD is a time-consuming pain due to the configuration of the airport terminals there. I could imagine people preferring to connect at PER instead, even though for most it would mean a long domestic flight. OTOH, if the PER flight is so expensive, that would folks reason to accept the inconvenience if they're starting from eastern Australia, or alternatively fly through some convenient connection airport such as SIN or HKG that has nonstop service from their airport in Australia.
Oct 22, 2019, 12:50 pm
#35
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In other news, Air NZ is shutting down the LHR-LAX-AKL flight. Sad to see it go, especially for the great gals and guys working for them at LHR.
https://www.airnewzealand.com/press-...tional-network
London decision
Los Angeles-London has been a flagship route for Air New Zealand and an important link connecting New Zealand and Europe since its launch in 1982, however Mr McDowall says market dynamics have affected performance in recent years.
"Today Kiwis have more than twice the number of ways to fly to London than a decade ago and preferences have changed. Less than seven percent of all airline travellers between Auckland and London chose to fly via Los Angeles last year.
"At the same time, the Atlantic has become one of the most hotly contested routes in the world and Air New Zealand lacks the home market advantages and scale of the North American and European airlines we're up against."
Mr McDowall says the hardest aspect of the decision is the impact on Air New Zealand's people who've worked incredibly hard to build the route and to achieve the highest customer satisfaction levels across the airline's international network.
"Sadly, the withdrawal will see the disestablishment of our London cabin crew base of around 130 people and, subject to consultation, around 25 roles in our Hammersmith sales office and ground team. We will be working with our people and their union to help with the next steps in their career, including looking at opportunities in other areas of the airline."
Los Angeles-London will operate as scheduled until October 2020 and no tickets have been sold beyond this date. Air New Zealand has chosen to announce the withdrawal more than a year in advance to allow time to support its people and to avoid any impact to customers booked to travel.
Los Angeles-London has been a flagship route for Air New Zealand and an important link connecting New Zealand and Europe since its launch in 1982, however Mr McDowall says market dynamics have affected performance in recent years.
"Today Kiwis have more than twice the number of ways to fly to London than a decade ago and preferences have changed. Less than seven percent of all airline travellers between Auckland and London chose to fly via Los Angeles last year.
"At the same time, the Atlantic has become one of the most hotly contested routes in the world and Air New Zealand lacks the home market advantages and scale of the North American and European airlines we're up against."
Mr McDowall says the hardest aspect of the decision is the impact on Air New Zealand's people who've worked incredibly hard to build the route and to achieve the highest customer satisfaction levels across the airline's international network.
"Sadly, the withdrawal will see the disestablishment of our London cabin crew base of around 130 people and, subject to consultation, around 25 roles in our Hammersmith sales office and ground team. We will be working with our people and their union to help with the next steps in their career, including looking at opportunities in other areas of the airline."
Los Angeles-London will operate as scheduled until October 2020 and no tickets have been sold beyond this date. Air New Zealand has chosen to announce the withdrawal more than a year in advance to allow time to support its people and to avoid any impact to customers booked to travel.
Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 pm
#36
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Not entirely surprising, especially if they can make the New York route work well in the alternative. That's an exciting route launch and will be an interesting one to watch.
Oct 23, 2019, 1:07 am
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I did not see this one coming. But it does make you wonder if BA needs any SYD service on its own metal longer term when through its network of alliances and partners it too can provide a number of routes to SYD, along with the QF Sunrise routes which, if progressed, will be around in the next couple of years. In 2023 there may be a direct QF route to SYD from LHR, other options for BA to connect to QF services in JFK / LAX / SFO / ORD / JNB / SIN / HKG etc. Whilst BAs SYD service is reported to be profitable, I'm sure there are others which would also be profitable.
Oct 23, 2019, 1:56 am
#43
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How do you think BA would fare on an ultra long route; could they get a service to match?
How is the qantas Perth route going down in economy?
I would love BA to give these routes a go!
Could not dedicated 787 1000s be specially configured :-)
How is the qantas Perth route going down in economy?
I would love BA to give these routes a go!
Could not dedicated 787 1000s be specially configured :-)
Oct 23, 2019, 2:00 am
#44
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I think BA should put some love into Australia. It's a growing market and I expect airlines will shift focus increasingly to long haul with demand expected for fall in short haul due to climate change concerns.
Atleast get some modern seating, and possibly take advantage of the recent Air NZ announcement - extend KL to Brisbane (and change the aircraft type). Lots of cheap routing options to NZ from Brisbane.
Atleast get some modern seating, and possibly take advantage of the recent Air NZ announcement - extend KL to Brisbane (and change the aircraft type). Lots of cheap routing options to NZ from Brisbane.