New BA First Class? [8F configured Boeing 772]
Oct 11, 2019, 4:46 am
#91
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Oct 11, 2019, 4:52 am
#92
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I highly doubt the 772s will be refurbished again, and instead will be retired with the refreshed current generation First seat. I'm surprised that the 772s are retaining an F cabin at all (although admittedly F is being removed from the G-YMM* series).
Oct 11, 2019, 5:13 am
#93
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Indeed, except amusingly Swiss is going the other direction by adding a second loo to the A340 in F as they refurbish them whilst BA is removing one.
Oct 11, 2019, 5:34 am
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its a stepping stone too, once the number flying F reduces and the cabin is more profitable, expect more of the other improvements we often talk about which will suddenly become more feasible such as improved ground experiences.
Oct 11, 2019, 5:36 am
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Oct 11, 2019, 5:42 am
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Oh yes they’ll want to keep you loyal, but don’t need to offer F redemptions to do that. This re-size is purely based on making F more profitable.
its a stepping stone too, once the number flying F reduces and the cabin is more profitable, expect more of the other improvements we often talk about which will suddenly become more feasible such as improved ground experiences.
its a stepping stone too, once the number flying F reduces and the cabin is more profitable, expect more of the other improvements we often talk about which will suddenly become more feasible such as improved ground experiences.
Oct 11, 2019, 5:59 am
#97
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Why would they? There is a very limited amount of actual competition in the F market - if luxury and convenience is important enough for someone to spend £10k then they're not going to change planes in Frankfurt or the Arabian desert. That limits competition to other flag carriers - so either BA compete against the likes of SQ, or they don't. I have a feeling I know how this will end.
Oct 11, 2019, 6:11 am
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Oct 11, 2019, 6:32 am
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Mood lighting looks great. In fairness the Thales system is pretty good. The Panasonic is likely better, but considering the 77W, A380 and 787 all have it, it’s hardly unacceptable. If/when the 787 and A380 get refitted I guess they’ll keep the Thales system too.
Does the Panasonic system offer any additional functionality?
Does the Panasonic system offer any additional functionality?
Oct 11, 2019, 7:22 am
#103
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The new First suite is some way off being ready; I suspect we won't see it until the first 77W is refurbished in July next year (or the next new 77W is delivered, whichever comes first).
I highly doubt the 772s will be refurbished again, and instead will be retired with the refreshed current generation First seat. I'm surprised that the 772s are retaining an F cabin at all (although admittedly F is being removed from the G-YMM* series).
I highly doubt the 772s will be refurbished again, and instead will be retired with the refreshed current generation First seat. I'm surprised that the 772s are retaining an F cabin at all (although admittedly F is being removed from the G-YMM* series).
id have thought at best we’d be getting a 787 type interior, which, it seems, many think is not an upgrade anyway
Oct 11, 2019, 7:26 am
#104
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You would have thought they would have got the new first cabin sorted ready for one refurb in one go?? We now seem to be creating a very fragmented product with new WT and WT+ with old club world at Gatwick, new club suite with old first and new WT and second generation WT+
current furst is not actually that private even though the space is very good
aircraft will have to be taken Out of service again ??
current furst is not actually that private even though the space is very good
aircraft will have to be taken Out of service again ??
In all honesty it made sense, at the end of the day if there's a belief that the clientele won't pay the premium to justify the extra cash (and retrofits are eye-wateringly expensive) why bother? Sure, it makes all the more mysterious why BDA isn't flying on a 789 out of LHR, but hey ho. If there's an odd one out of the LGW route that's the one.
As for First... I'd say it hasn't been refurbished because it was too much of an effort/cost at this time. I think it's a missed opportunity, for they might not want to do it on a 20-year-old 77E, but how about a 5-year-old 77W, or a 380?
Oct 11, 2019, 7:31 am
#105
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Mood lighting looks great. In fairness the Thales system is pretty good. The Panasonic is likely better, but considering the 77W, A380 and 787 all have it, it’s hardly unacceptable. If/when the 787 and A380 get refitted I guess they’ll keep the Thales system too.
Does the Panasonic system offer any additional functionality?
Does the Panasonic system offer any additional functionality?
