Interesting potential EU261 case
Sep 16, 2019, 1:18 pm
#106
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Is it???
Even if so--- unlikely to comply with "The CRA 2015" or EC equivalents
97 posts and Tobias above may well have hit the nail on the head again.
"The OP did not provide any evidence the child is a British/Irish citizen and consequently the child could not enjoy the CTA travel provisions."
Even if so--- unlikely to comply with "The CRA 2015" or EC equivalents
97 posts and Tobias above may well have hit the nail on the head again.
"The OP did not provide any evidence the child is a British/Irish citizen and consequently the child could not enjoy the CTA travel provisions."
Sep 16, 2019, 1:24 pm
#107
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I assume you mean 13b rather than 13f (which is concerned with airport security):
If the immigration authorities do not need a passport for the child, then that clause doesn't apply.
13b) You must present to us valid passports, visas, health certificates and other travel documents
Before you travel, you must present to us all passports, visas, health certificates and other travel documents you need for your journey. If we ask, you must: allow us to take and keep copies of them and deposit your passport or equivalent travel document with a member of the crew of the aircraft for safe custody until the end of the flight.
Before you travel, you must present to us all passports, visas, health certificates and other travel documents you need for your journey. If we ask, you must: allow us to take and keep copies of them and deposit your passport or equivalent travel document with a member of the crew of the aircraft for safe custody until the end of the flight.
Sep 16, 2019, 1:46 pm
#108
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Sep 16, 2019, 1:57 pm
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They do need documentation, although not necessarily a passport. Picture ID is required for adults travelling by air or sea, and evidence that the traveller is a British or Irish citizen.
Sep 16, 2019, 2:55 pm
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Verification of who you are when travelling within the CTA is for security reasons not immigration reasons and is IAW requirement advised by the CAA/IAA, Home Office, etc.
Last edited by navylad; Sep 16, 2019 at 3:13 pm
Sep 16, 2019, 3:04 pm
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Draft BA response: we would have been happy to check in this passenger, however a passenger was attempting to check-in a child without the correct documentation which prevented check-in being completed on time. As they were the same person this was solely within the passenger’s control...
Sep 16, 2019, 3:12 pm
#112
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In hindsight, if the OP did not have a plus fare he should just have done a same-day switch to literally any other service, wait for the passport to arrive, and then switch to something earlier. And if he'd found a way of getting on with the check in staff maybe they would have made a plan. Also, is it possible to upfare from the basic fare to the plus fare?
Sep 16, 2019, 3:16 pm
#113
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No i’d suggest that the whole of 13 applies including 13f which requires you to comply with security checks including by the airline not just by security.
Verification of who you are when travelling within the CTA is for security reasons not immigration reasons and is IAW requirement advised by the CAA/IAA, Home Office, etc.
Verification of who you are when travelling within the CTA is for security reasons not immigration reasons and is IAW requirement advised by the CAA/IAA, Home Office, etc.
I guess the awkward question is - why does that not apply when travelling from Belfast?
In hindsight, if the OP did not have a plus fare he should just have done a same-day switch to literally any other service, wait for the passport to arrive, and then switch to something earlier. And if he'd found a way of getting on with the check in staff maybe they would have made a plan. Also, is it possible to upfare from the basic fare to the plus fare?
In hindsight, if the OP did not have a plus fare he should just have done a same-day switch to literally any other service, wait for the passport to arrive, and then switch to something earlier. And if he'd found a way of getting on with the check in staff maybe they would have made a plan. Also, is it possible to upfare from the basic fare to the plus fare?
It is of course possibke that should we see the aviation threat level be increased, for example, that the SOP would then be to check IDs
There is also that it is relatively recently that UK and ROI officially signed an agreement to share biometric data, so some of the rules may of course be legacy. In aviation I understand it is often to de-escalate security procedures.
Last edited by navylad; Sep 17, 2019 at 2:51 am
Sep 16, 2019, 3:41 pm
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From where does the duty upon me arise, to ask for a group checking into be "split"?
Does BA not have a duty to check in all persons properly presenting to check-in? If they intend not to check in one (or more) persons in a group due to a documentary lapse of another member, is the onus not on them to obtain consent for this?
Does BA not have a duty to check in all persons properly presenting to check-in? If they intend not to check in one (or more) persons in a group due to a documentary lapse of another member, is the onus not on them to obtain consent for this?
Sep 16, 2019, 4:27 pm
#115
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OP was asking for others with similar experiences, here is mine:
Checked in with EI at DUB apt to fly to HAM with wife and child to be the best man at my friends wedding the next day. Checked in as a party of 3, because we are good like that.
Our child’s passport had expired which was clearly our fault.
The friendly Check-in lady spotted the invalid document and denied all 3 of us to complete checkin.
We missed the flight.
Now where do I claim compensation for my wife and I, OP?
Checked in with EI at DUB apt to fly to HAM with wife and child to be the best man at my friends wedding the next day. Checked in as a party of 3, because we are good like that.
Our child’s passport had expired which was clearly our fault.
The friendly Check-in lady spotted the invalid document and denied all 3 of us to complete checkin.
We missed the flight.
Now where do I claim compensation for my wife and I, OP?
Sep 16, 2019, 10:22 pm
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Sep 16, 2019, 10:27 pm
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Staff shouldn't be making exceptions - there should be consistency in what agents do and should be in line with the rules
There is nothing exceptional about a person turning up with incorrect passport
