Gratuities [pre-flight lounge dining]
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In France service is always included. People tend to leave some change and there might well be an agreement between the staff about sharing but there's no expectation that tips will be left.
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The blast radius of this particular diner was at least 5 tables wide. Think some of the examples in the DYKWIA thread.
In common with everything else this diner said to the staff that night, the approach to the tip was broadcast for all to hear. “No, I won’t sign for a tip. I will leave it in cash”. As soon as the waitstaff withdrew, a €5 was plopped on the table and said diner made a hasty exit.
Up to the two critical queries in the final 15 mins of the meal (“please hurry up” and “why am I being charged €6 for coffee with petit fours”) every other broadcast commentary was on the lines of “the bread is wonderful, please could I have just one more piece”, “the fish is divine”, etc. etc. etc.
Avoiding eye contact was more the issue rather paying attention!
Happy to share more details (as in facts) if it helps sooth that nerve I hit.
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Can't say I've ever thought about tipping airline lounge staff maybe I should.
In everyday life I tend to tip more in lower end establishments where the salaries aren't great. We have a lot of Venezuelans working in the service sector here at the moment who have a very friendly manner.
In everyday life I tend to tip more in lower end establishments where the salaries aren't great. We have a lot of Venezuelans working in the service sector here at the moment who have a very friendly manner.
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My favourite tale about tipping (a little OT sorry, but perhaps a gentle distraction amidst this slightly touchy thread topic) concerns the late Francis Albert Sinatra : an individual known for being extremely generous & appreciative to all who waited on, helped, and / or generally pleased him, especially those in low-paid roles (albeit in stark contrast to the less pleasant treatment meted out - allegedly - by Sinatra’s ‘people’ to anyone who dared incur his wrath).
The great man once asked a parking valet what was the biggest tip he ever received. To which the reply came, "$100, Sir”
Sinatra - never one to be outdone - promptly proceeded to give him a tip that was considerably larger than that. Following which curiosity got the better of Sinatra .... so much so, that he demanded to know who was the guy who had tipped $100. At which point the grateful valet said, "It was you, Mr. Sinatra."
The great man once asked a parking valet what was the biggest tip he ever received. To which the reply came, "$100, Sir”
Sinatra - never one to be outdone - promptly proceeded to give him a tip that was considerably larger than that. Following which curiosity got the better of Sinatra .... so much so, that he demanded to know who was the guy who had tipped $100. At which point the grateful valet said, "It was you, Mr. Sinatra."
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Interesting parallel with the Western Cape, where many servers are from Malawi or Zimbabwe ... and sending their wages home to support their families back there.
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I'm probably missing something but I'm intrigued to know how you knew the bill amount and then counted the cash to work out the percentage from someone else's table?
If on the other hand the maitre d' disclosed & discussed with you it can't be that good a restaurant...
Perhaps the diner wasn't happy with the service - isn't that what a tip is supposed to reflect?
If on the other hand the maitre d' disclosed & discussed with you it can't be that good a restaurant...
Perhaps the diner wasn't happy with the service - isn't that what a tip is supposed to reflect?
The total was verbalized loudly before the query on the cost of coffee.
12.5% would be standard local tip.
Anyway the point I was trying to make was that under-tipping (assuming you believe this is a thing) is not unique to visitors to the US
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The best tip to ever give anyone is to tell them to join Flyertalk and go to the BA Board
Joking apart, I usually tip 10% of a restaurant bill assuming the service is at least satisfactory, leave a tip in hotel rooms for the staff but I have never thought or probably would leave a tip in an airport lounge.
Joking apart, I usually tip 10% of a restaurant bill assuming the service is at least satisfactory, leave a tip in hotel rooms for the staff but I have never thought or probably would leave a tip in an airport lounge.
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And the Exam Question was .... Lounge Staff!
I did tip the Barman in the First Lounge at PHX ... he was very assiduous in ensuring we were both topped up.
Was it pertinent that I tipped him when I ordered our first 2 glasses? No idea, but possibly.
Did I tip him again, subsequently? I don’t think I did.
But there were only 10 pax in there anyway, so he wasn’t overworked!
I did tip the Barman in the First Lounge at PHX ... he was very assiduous in ensuring we were both topped up.
Was it pertinent that I tipped him when I ordered our first 2 glasses? No idea, but possibly.
Did I tip him again, subsequently? I don’t think I did.
But there were only 10 pax in there anyway, so he wasn’t overworked!
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i know France pretty well indeed, one would tip to signify that they were really happy with the service (and nowhere near us level because as you rightly say, service has to be included by law as in most civilised countries so you just top it up really) and conversely you wouldn’t leave anything if you found service mediocre. However, every restaurant I know in France will have sharing arrangeants in place so it will be shared between your waiter, kitchen, bar etc.
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Wow! a topic on tipping - next time, please tell me in advance so that I can enjoy it from the start
I feel like I have arrived at a party after the cake has been cut!!!
I now have my popcorn, so please continue.......
I feel like I have arrived at a party after the cake has been cut!!!
I now have my popcorn, so please continue.......
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If you see the tips as "insanity", well, that is your problem, but I have no issue accepting them as a thanks from someone who is a kind, hard working, generous philanthropist, who genuinely appreciates the great effort we all, as a crew, go to on his behalf.
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Yep, exactly the same... Although he does it in person with us before he gets off the jet... I love the BBJ, a lot of work in the cabin, but a beautiful aircraft!
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Sorry but this is frankly not true for a lot of European countries and in some it's considered offensive. In the US and Canada tipping is their culture and I'm happy to do so, but back in the UK it's a no from me unless you have had exceptional service. Unlike other countries, our staff are paid a decent wage and it should not be down to the customers to make up any shortfall in their income because their employer doesn't want to pay it. I would much rather the price of the meals increases if that means staff are paid a better wage, but this expectation of tipping in the UK really needs to stop.
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Sorry but this is frankly not true for a lot of European countries and in some it's considered offensive. In the US and Canada tipping is their culture and I'm happy to do so, but back in the UK it's a no from me unless you have had exceptional service. Unlike other countries, our staff are paid a decent wage and it should not be down to the customers to make up any shortfall in their income because their employer doesn't want to pay it. I would much rather the price of the meals increases if that means staff are paid a better wage, but this expectation of tipping in the UK really needs to stop.
A tip can go a long way in the UK if you are dining in the same place regularly. Many years ago I stayed at a small hotel near London with breakfast included and the food service was abysmal. After our first breakfast we each left a pound coin by our plates as an experiment. The transformation was remarkable and for the rest of the week we received preferential treatment much to the dismay of the parsimonious patrons who arrived before we did.
Where in Europe are tips "offensive?" I have traveled extensively in Europe and have only had a portion of a tip returned once. It was a restaurant in a small town in southern Bulgaria where the proprietor thought I'd left too much.
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