BA LHR-JFK worlds most lucrative route.
Aug 14, 2019, 1:48 pm
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Tried to find how many seats BA has available on that LHR-JFK route. Not getting anywhere yet but found this tidbit on the Travelocity website. I’m a bit confused about the last statement...
- Question : How many flights does British Airways fly from JFK to LHR?
Answer : British Airways flies 605 flights every month between JFK and LHR. - Question : What aircraft type does British Airways fly to JFK and LHR?
Answer : British Airways typically flies the Boeing 747-400 out of JFK and returns on a Boeing 767-300 from LHR.
Aug 14, 2019, 1:52 pm
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Actually I could pull the whole article apart quite quickly. It's making a heck of a lot of assumptions (see last year's FT thread). I've no doubt that JFK is a very nice little earner for BA, but >USD 1bn gross revenue before tax and depreciation? I somewhat doubt it.
1,000,000,000/360 days=
2,777,777/20 flights per day=
138,888 gross revenue per flight.
Half the flights 77W and half 744 Hi-J equals average passenger per flight count of 287 pax resulting in $483.50 per pax.
85% load and it is $571.50 per pax. Is this reasonable given the high concentration of J seats?
Aug 14, 2019, 1:53 pm
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Oh, but even if JetBlue succeeds, the 'shaking up' won't be in the direction that most here expect. Once long-haul flying has been 'no frilled,' there will be no turning back. The I-would-pay-a-little-bit-more-for-a-batter-service group will start moaning that the stupid general public accept the inferior seat and poor catering in return for cheaper prices. JetBlue will not be entering the market to make BA or AA or UA or DL introduce showers or bars or spas on the plane... The shaking up will not be to many people's liking here.
Aug 14, 2019, 1:54 pm
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Oh, but even if JetBlue succeeds, the 'shaking up' won't be in the direction that most here expect. Once long-haul flying has been 'no frilled,' there will be no turning back. The I-would-pay-a-little-bit-more-for-a-batter-service group will start moaning that the stupid general public accept the inferior seat and poor catering in return for cheaper prices. JetBlue will not be entering the market to make BA or AA or UA or DL introduce showers or bars or spas on the plane... The shaking up will not be to many people's liking here.
Aug 14, 2019, 2:30 pm
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But, them compare the prices for first class on B6 and AA - huge difference...and you of course get an inferior bed, an inferior service, no pre-flight dining etc. on B6. Which is what I am getting at - there will be a large number of people who will 'accept' to get an inferior bed, inferior food, inferior lounges for half the price, but the experience for them will still be good because they get to sleep on the flight on what resembles a bed. I'd say that Transcon flying is better because of AA rather than B6.
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Aug 14, 2019, 3:44 pm
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Aug 14, 2019, 3:53 pm
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Oh, but even if JetBlue succeeds, the 'shaking up' won't be in the direction that most here expect. Once long-haul flying has been 'no frilled,' there will be no turning back. The I-would-pay-a-little-bit-more-for-a-better-service group will start moaning that the stupid general public accept the inferior seat and poor catering in return for cheaper prices. JetBlue will not be entering the market to make BA or AA or UA or DL introduce showers or bars or spas on the plane... The shaking up will not be to many people's liking here.
B6 will not have any aircraft that can fly TATL into/out of LCY.
Aug 14, 2019, 4:13 pm
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If it were in line with what AA, DL or UA have to offer then B6 would have driven them out of business. And the current Mint product is nowhere near BA's CW.
Aug 14, 2019, 4:15 pm
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Tried to find how many seats BA has available on that LHR-JFK route. Not getting anywhere yet but found this tidbit on the Travelocity website. I’m a bit confused about the last statement...
- Question : How many flights does British Airways fly from JFK to LHR?
Answer : British Airways flies 605 flights every month between JFK and LHR. - Question : What aircraft type does British Airways fly to JFK and LHR?
Answer : British Airways typically flies the Boeing 747-400 out of JFK and returns on a Boeing 767-300 from LHR.
Aug 14, 2019, 4:17 pm
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I would argue that B6 transcon Mint is already better than the current BA Club World product on this route and basically in line with what AA, DL, and VS offer. The area where B6 will need to improve (or have in general) will be lounges. I'm sure a contact lounge would work on the London side, on the JFK side B6 will need its own premium lounge and realistically should already have this for their transcon flights. With that said I would absolutely accept a 5th freedom flight or two by QR or EK if that could ever be arranged as well.
B6 will not have any aircraft that can fly TATL into/out of LCY.
B6 will not have any aircraft that can fly TATL into/out of LCY.
Aug 14, 2019, 4:21 pm
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Aug 14, 2019, 4:28 pm
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If you're talking about the new CW then yes, that's true. If you're talking about the 8 abreast CW on the vast majority of BA's fleet, then I disagree. I would much rather sit in a Mint Suite with aisle access and a window rather than sit backwards in a decades old J seat and have to climb over someone to get out.
Let them have a meltdown then. They can figure out how to improve their products and pricing to compete or they can go out of business like many should have years ago had they not been saved by bankruptcy protection.
Aug 14, 2019, 4:52 pm
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If you're talking about the new CW then yes, that's true. If you're talking about the 8 abreast CW on the vast majority of BA's fleet, then I disagree. I would much rather sit in a Mint Suite with aisle access and a window rather than sit backwards in a decades old J seat and have to climb over someone to get out.