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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:21 am
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Indeed... none of this argument relates to anything practical or pragmatic in the real world.
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic


The ECHR has taken several decisions confirming it sees the fundamental right to strike as covered by art 11 (eg Ognevenko v Russia in 2018). How it scopes that right is not always clear as states have scope to legislate but some unions have been successful at getting cases upheld most legal specialists thought they would not. Ecj is an entirely separate route that would require some breach of eu ref or directive. I don’t know/think that it is the case here
I agree. However, the current case is not about the right to strike, it is about the information a union is required to supply its members, and eventually the employer, when balloting for industrial action. Should BA win today, all that BALPA need to do is to amend its paperwork to include the detail required and set off again - the right to strike remains. That issue being satisfied there is no legal impediment to a strike.
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by ChirpyInEconomy
Indeed... none of this argument relates to anything practical or pragmatic in the real world.
Actually it does, that's why they are in the Court of Appeal!
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:30 am
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:32 am
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Originally Posted by Tiger_lily
As mentioned upthread, there’s an element of straying into GDPR territory here.

BALPA should only be keeping the data that they need for their own purposes. This should be basic membership and any information for CPD I would have thought.

Is this now going to say that they need to keep a shed load more just in case they need to provide it to employers in the event of industrial action?

That is not in keeping with GDPR/ DPA(2018)

That requires organisations to hold the minimum data set necessary for their given purpose
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
There is no threat to privacy in the current proceedings. Names (nor any other identifying information) do not fall under the 'categories' under consideration. In fact names are specifically excluded.
does it not depend? Imagine the disaggregation meaning that the union has to explain a vote of 100% in favour among long haul first officers at LCY, which may well only include a handful of members of the union. In fact given what I understand to be the overwhelming result of the strike vote there may even be one or two more categories which if disaggregated by place of work, fleet etc might show a 100% results which would make individual members by nature identifiable?
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:41 am
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Starting now. Seemed at first they were siding with BALPA but now discussing that in a similar case against Virgin Atlantic, the injunction was granted for the reasons BA is seeking.
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:46 am
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Can someone supply a link please?
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:47 am
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFF...zfesJ4t8w/live

I think....
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:47 am
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Can someone supply a link please?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFF...zfesJ4t8w/live
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:47 am
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:55 am
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Originally Posted by peter.r.erskine
Starting now. Seemed at first they were siding with BALPA but now discussing that in a similar case against Virgin Atlantic, the injunction was granted for the reasons BA is seeking.
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Look like it could take a while, shame they can't just come out and say they've considered all the arguments and points of law and rule xyz.....
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 3:58 am
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Yes, but that they are explaining the rationale behind the conclusion that they are about to deliver. Whatever the decision is, as it will be used in future cases
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 4:00 am
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Originally Posted by tuonopepper
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Look like it could take a while, shame they can't just come out and say they've considered all the arguments and points of law and rule xyz.....
They are clarifying an important point of law, they are explaining the background, referencing the evidence they have considered in reaching their decision and will go on to explain the reason for reaching the decision they have. .
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 4:11 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
Actually it does, that's why they are in the Court of Appeal!
I suppose the frustration revolves around BA's claim that inclusion of fleet information would help them to plan for disruption.

At the level of membership, turnout and ballot result in this case it is clear that this is false.

All this legal attempt achieves is an expensive further delay in uncertainty for everyone. It is not a solution!
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