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29 July 19: BA112 [JFK-LHR] incident in F cabin

29 July 19: BA112 [JFK-LHR] incident in F cabin

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At least 3 FlyerTalkers were onboard and have posted eyewitness reports. Excerpts and direct links follow

All reports implicate a musical artist/rapper named Busta Rhymes.

Originally Posted by 87CTA View Post
  • Artist boards and his handler begins packing away his bags in the overheads. To note … the artist brought 4 carryon bags … which meant regardless of the situation that he would have struggled to easily find space (especially as the cabin was full). It was apparent that the handler was having trouble finding space and the artist began getting irate … asking “whose stuff is this” … my wife replied, “mine” … artist responds “move your stuff”.
  • I could tell immediately that this would only end in an argument so I suggested to my wife that she just move her bags to avoid confrontation … my wife quite rightfully responded “why should I, we are supposed to share this bin” … this is when the artist flew off the handle: “move your stuff, now” … he was towering over my wife’s seat and she was terrified … I stood up and asked him to “not be so rude to my wife” and to “leave it” to which he responded with “then let’s go, homeboy … essentially offering me to fight him!!!!
Originally Posted by 81romeo View Post
A woman started to cry and the situation escalated very quickly. I then jumped in as I can't tolerate any case of abusive behaviour. He threatened me personally because I jumped in. The CSD got involved. The Captain decided to not offload him (don't ask me why because we really don't know, we were all shocked at his judgment call). Instead, the crew asked if any of us would feel safer by taking the next flight.
Originally Posted by Realitycheck View Post
The cabin staff did an excellent job at controlling the situation. Albeit they admitted being fearful as we all were. BR was traveling with his handler and 6 members of his entourage.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 8:08 am
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I can't believe I read 73 posts before someone had the balls to name the culprit.......I still didn't recognize the guy.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 8:10 am
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How did the other passengers know who he was? Did he tell them?

If I ever manage to end up in F, I hope there aren't any "celebrities" in there doing anything noteworthy, or I'd probably offend them further by not recognising them. Even if they said "I'm Busta Rhymes", that still wouldn't help...
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Old Jul 30, 19, 8:11 am
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No different than the people who have to use "AAA" and "BBB" rather than airport codes because they apparently mean Area 51.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 8:24 am
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"Champagne and Caviar with Busta Rhymes". How dull and cliched......Bling bling look at me yadda yadda yadda yawn yawn.

The world really needs less of these people prancing around.

Anyway, rant over.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by Kgmm77 View Post
Have you any information that rappers behave any worse than other musicians or indeed the general public at large on a aircraft?

Listening to rap music "was significantly and positively associated with alcohol use, problematic alcohol use, illicit drug use, and aggressive behaviors when all other variables were controlled."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066304/

Mr Rhymes himself has been involved in various incidents of violent or aggressive action, including when he considered the service he received to be unsatisfactory:
2006: https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...lt-in-new-york
2013: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/busta...baby_n_3007243
2015: https://www.tmz.com/2015/11/17/busta...assault-video/
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Old Jul 30, 19, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by Deltus View Post
How did the other passengers know who he was? Did he tell them?

If I ever manage to end up in F, I hope there aren't any "celebrities" in there doing anything noteworthy, or I'd probably offend them further by not recognising them. Even if they said "I'm Busta Rhymes", that still wouldn't help...
Perhaps he had a DYKWIA moment?
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Old Jul 30, 19, 9:06 am
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Finally someone actually named him. There are hundreds of rappers, and we can't exactly be expected to know many if you have no particular wish to keep up with the musical style.

I assume the lack of storage space about 1A/K on a 747 was the issue. Expecting to HBO and being in a hurry to connect, and some people used the luggage space above their head. Which is fair enough.

Google seems quite insistent that I need to be sold something by the rapper, or that someone else had a flight incident. It is as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

I'd imagine if I was a millionaire with a few people with me to a paid gig, that I'd use a private jet. Especially if I'm trying to cut it close, which sounds like he was.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 9:08 am
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70 odd posts before naming it properly rather than some obscure guessing game.Similar to FT rule about not posting link without an excerpt, there should be a rule that if you really don't want to name someone don't start a thread. I don't see anything wrong with saying I was sitting in first class and Trevor Smith Jr. kicked up a hissy fit, blah blah blah.
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Originally Posted by flatlander View Post
Listening to rap music "was significantly and positively associated with alcohol use, problematic alcohol use, illicit drug use, and aggressive behaviors when all other variables were controlled."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066304/

Mr Rhymes himself has been involved in various incidents of violent or aggressive action, including when he considered the service he received to be unsatisfactory:
2006: https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...lt-in-new-york
2013: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/busta...baby_n_3007243
2015: https://www.tmz.com/2015/11/17/busta...assault-video/
I’m not querying the individual, its the lumping in of the whole musical genre into one “criminal” bucket I questioned.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by Cymro View Post
There is something on Twitter now folks. (NB it would suggest that some of the information above is inaccurate).

Think about where you might go to explore the Champagne region, and the kind of transport you would take to get there.
Eurostar Reims...?

I think I got it, I had to bust a gut to work it out


I didn't read to the end before turning detective, I should have I guess

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Old Jul 30, 19, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by flatlander View Post
Listening to rap music "was significantly and positively associated with alcohol use, problematic alcohol use, illicit drug use, and aggressive behaviors when all other variables were controlled."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066304/

Mr Rhymes himself has been involved in various incidents of violent or aggressive action, including when he considered the service he received to be unsatisfactory:
2006: https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...lt-in-new-york
2013: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/busta...baby_n_3007243
2015: https://www.tmz.com/2015/11/17/busta...assault-video/

selective quotation is not always advisable. In its conclusion, that study cautions:

Findings of this study, however, should be interpreted with caution. Due to the cross-sectional nature of the data, it is difficult to make causal inferences about the relationships between music listening and substance use and aggression. It is possible that frequent exposure to rap music significantly contributes to positive values towards substance use and violence. It is also possible that individuals who often listen to rap music view substance use and violence more positively prior to listening to this genre of music; music listening thus at most reinforces these values. Alternatively, substance use, aggression, and music listening may be independent constructs but share common “third factors.” Finally, our study sample may not be representative of all community college students because our study focused on students aged 25 or younger attending daytime classes. Neither may our study findings be generalized to college students in general, as a large proportion of our survey sample (62%) was non-white. Nor may the study findings be generalized to young people who do not attend colleges.
Rough translation : maybe the rap leads to substance abuse and violence, maybe substance abuse and violence leads to listening to rap music, or maybe it’s something else entirely. And by the way, our sample is very limited...

Some people are odious, others are not (including rappers). His job isn’t the issue.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 9:56 am
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Does anyone have a link to the twitter post? I’ve just put some more popcorn on
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Old Jul 30, 19, 10:06 am
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Seven pages and nobody has asked what kind of compo (Avios) you got for an obnoxious twat in F? Or is it so common that everyone knows already?
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Old Jul 30, 19, 10:27 am
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For the record

We were in FC and witnessed the entire incident. For the record there was plenty of overhead space for BR's carry on. But he insisted that his belongings be placed in the overhead directly above his seat (2A). The terrified young lady in 2E has just as much right to have her belongings there as there is no overhead bin over the two middle seats in FC. And oh btw first come first served should govern. Yet he immediately became aggressive and she yielded while in tears to moving her stuff to the other side of the plane. When her husband who was helping suggested that BR need not be rude, BR then became more aggressive and called the husband "homeboy" . When 1A courageously tried to defend them, BR threatened him. At which point 4A summoned the flight attendants to intercede. Frankly the flight attendants should have been there at the outset and required him to take other overhead space rather than let him bully the young couple. That said shame on BA for allowing BR to remain on that flight. We almost missed our connection (the doors were closed upon arrival at the gate) but they opened it for us. Needless to say some of our luggage did not make the connection which is a total nuisance . Offering the whole FC cabin the option to take a later flight just empowered his aggressive behavior.
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Old Jul 30, 19, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by mwalsh View Post
Seven pages and nobody has asked what kind of compo (Avios) you got for an obnoxious twat in F? Or is it so common that everyone knows already?
“Straight outta compo”?
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