29 July 19: BA112 [JFK-LHR] incident in F cabin

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At least 3 FlyerTalkers were onboard and have posted eyewitness reports. Excerpts and direct links follow

All reports implicate a musical artist/rapper named Busta Rhymes.

Originally Posted by 87CTA View Post
  • Artist boards and his handler begins packing away his bags in the overheads. To note … the artist brought 4 carryon bags … which meant regardless of the situation that he would have struggled to easily find space (especially as the cabin was full). It was apparent that the handler was having trouble finding space and the artist began getting irate … asking “whose stuff is this” … my wife replied, “mine” … artist responds “move your stuff”.
  • I could tell immediately that this would only end in an argument so I suggested to my wife that she just move her bags to avoid confrontation … my wife quite rightfully responded “why should I, we are supposed to share this bin” … this is when the artist flew off the handle: “move your stuff, now” … he was towering over my wife’s seat and she was terrified … I stood up and asked him to “not be so rude to my wife” and to “leave it” to which he responded with “then let’s go, homeboy … essentially offering me to fight him!!!!
Originally Posted by 81romeo View Post
A woman started to cry and the situation escalated very quickly. I then jumped in as I can't tolerate any case of abusive behaviour. He threatened me personally because I jumped in. The CSD got involved. The Captain decided to not offload him (don't ask me why because we really don't know, we were all shocked at his judgment call). Instead, the crew asked if any of us would feel safer by taking the next flight.
Originally Posted by Realitycheck View Post
The cabin staff did an excellent job at controlling the situation. Albeit they admitted being fearful as we all were. BR was traveling with his handler and 6 members of his entourage.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 3:04 am
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This is why we LOVE FT. We have our FT reporters on the spot whenever there is an incident, we then debate and second guess (like pilot decision-making) for days, have a brief excursion into semantics. Now back to my real novel.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 3:09 am
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Originally Posted by 87CTA View Post
Hi all,

So, I am the husband of the lady who was first abused by the “artist” in question – we were in fact sitting in the front “buddy” seats in FC 4E and 4F. The events (from our perspective) went like this:
  • The artist boarded the plane shortly before pushback. The cabin had already settled down and bags were already packed away in the overhead bins. For accuracy, my wife’s seat was next to the artists which meant they were supposed to SHARE the same overhead.
  • Artist boards and his handler begins packing away his bags in the overheads. To note … the artist brought 4 carryon bags … which meant regardless of the situation that he would have struggled to easily find space (especially as the cabin was full). It was apparent that the handler was having trouble finding space and the artist began getting irate … asking “whose stuff is this” … my wife replied, “mine” … artist responds “move your stuff”.
  • I could tell immediately that this would only end in an argument so I suggested to my wife that she just move her bags to avoid confrontation … my wife quite rightfully responded “why should I, we are supposed to share this bin” … this is when the artist flew off the handle: “move your stuff, now” … he was towering over my wife’s seat and she was terrified … I stood up and asked him to “not be so rude to my wife” and to “leave it” to which he responded with “then let’s go, homeboy … essentially offering me to fight him!!!!
  • The staff then entered the cabin (including the CSD) to defuse the situation. A nice female attendant took my wife away to comfort here in the toilet. The CSD then (wrongly, in my opinion) asked me in front of the artist “if you want to take this further and report him to the police now”. To provide context … the artist was stood there staring at me as I was asked this … that was EXTREMELY intimidating and was not the right way to deal with it. I responded with “no comment”.
  • The artist was then taken to the galley to calm down … he was placed outside the door to the toilet where my wife was crying and terrified … I even had to squeeze past him to get to my wife in the toilet! When I passed him … he said “we cool” … and I said, “we’ll be cool when you apologise to my wife” .. he responded with “there isn’t nothing to apologise for aside from your wife acting like a queen”. I left the conversation immediately as there was zero upside!
  • We all settled back into the FC cabin and the artist then entered the cabin to sit down. He then IMMEDIATELY threatened 81ROMEO (before the artist had even sat down) by saying something like “we’ll discuss this when we get off the plane” … in a highly aggressive voice … it was clearly a vailed threat! 81ROMEO had done nothing to provoke this!
  • 81ROMEO calmly walked out of the cabin (hats off to him) and got the CSD into the cabin again … who started off by saying “what’s happened now”. The captain was then brought down and then both parties were able to give their side to the story in which the artist all of a sudden became much calmer and nicer (funny that). To note … I have this entire conversation recorded on video!
  • The pilot decided it was right to keep the artist on the flight and we were asked if WE wanted to get off the flight” my wife was so distraught that she asked if we could be moved to CW but there was only one seat so we had to decline. We were mortified that the pilot decided to keep him on the flight despite threatening two passengers and being extremely rude to another (my wife).
  • After pushback there were no further issues between people in the cabin; although we didn’t sleep a wink and my wife cried for most of the flight – she was scared!!!thanks BA for deciding to keep a dangerous passenger on the flight.
Hello 87CTA, thank you for joining this forum and for sharing and confirming the dynamics of this very unfortunate incident.
As c-w-s mentioned, I hope you will keep enjoying flying as these episodes don't happen often.

I completely confirm the dynamics, actually it's interesting to hear from you more details about the conversations as I was sitting in 1A and could not hear all details from there.

To those who are wondering, the only point of 87CTAs description I feel needs slightly to be rectified is that I jumped in quite at the beginning BR in a very polite way to stop being rude, abusive and disruptive as we all are supposed to share a limited amount of space - this happened during the first massive argument after which BR was taken to the galley to calm down (and that's where he gave me a bad and threatening look when I went to the toilet). Then BR came back into the cabin and attacked me verbally threatening a confrontation off the plane at LHR.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 3:23 am
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This moron ought to be banned from BA and forced over to Norweigan for the remainder of his career.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by CatchFlightsNotFeelings View Post
This moron ought to be banned from BA and forced over to Norweigan for the remainder of his career.
you’d think with 8+ people flying plus a connecting flight it’d be easier and quite possibly cheaper to just private jet over?
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Old Jul 31, 19, 3:30 am
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Thanks 81romeo ... plus all the other passengers who were so kind to us during the flight! We all stuck together which was really great! Let's hope BA are reading this!
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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:12 am
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In light of the account from 87CTA I can understand the frustration with the Captain. The "artist" (an inapt term in this case) sounds like an absolute card.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:20 am
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Originally Posted by 87CTA View Post
Thanks 81romeo ... plus all the other passengers who were so kind to us during the flight! We all stuck together which was really great! Let's hope BA are reading this!
@87CTA and @81romeo, sorry to hear of this awful situation you were put in.

IMHO the captain made a bad call to ask other passengers if they wanted take a later flight. This moron should have been taken off the flight.

Where was the security of passengers and crew taken into account by the captain?

I hope you have filed a complaint with BA.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:22 am
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I'm amazed how FT has got everyone together in this way. It really is amazing, albeit not the situation.

So If I was you, I would be going to a crappy tabloid as a group, with your video evidenced/statements and asking for a payday. You may end up getting £5/10k each for that type of story and evidence, which is way more than you'll eventually get from BA if anything at all.

In my opinion BA have had two opportunities to do the right thing and failed you all on both. One, when they could have asked this knob to leave the plane and two, within a few hours of you landing you should have all personally received a call to at least hold out their hand to say, we are aware and on the case, sorry. (This hasn't happened as far as I can tell)

IMO none of you owe BA anything over this so crack on, cash in and see where it goes.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:51 am
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Originally Posted by eugegall View Post
I'm amazed how FT has got everyone together in this way. It really is amazing, albeit not the situation.

So If I was you, I would be going to a crappy tabloid as a group, with your video evidenced/statements and asking for a payday. You may end up getting £5/10k each for that type of story and evidence, which is way more than you'll eventually get from BA if anything at all.

In my opinion BA have had two opportunities to do the right thing and failed you all on both. One, when they could have asked this knob to leave the plane and two, within a few hours of you landing you should have all personally received a call to at least hold out their hand to say, we are aware and on the case, sorry. (This hasn't happened as far as I can tell)

IMO none of you owe BA anything over this so crack on, cash in and see where it goes.
TMZ or the Blaze would be interested. If you want, I have connections at both I'd be glad to share. TMZ more likely to pay.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post


you’d think with 8+ people flying plus a connecting flight it’d be easier and quite possibly cheaper to just private jet over?
These aren't the smartest individuals, remember that. Anyone who starts a fight on a plane is, necessarily, not that smart.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:59 am
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Originally Posted by denhaagflyer View Post

given these circumstances, I would not only expect a major compensation from BA, but would also consider taking this to court. I am not as familiar with legal concepts in UK (even though I live here) but it seems that BA violated their duty of care.
This is a good point.

Re “Duty of care” – right after take-off I felt I had to look after my own security myself, when disembarking.

This is why I spoke (again) to the CSD and made it very clear I would not disembark the plane at LHR unless I was welcomed by Police officers at the aircraft door and escorted out of the terminal, for my personal safety.

By the way – Police did an excellent job, they were very reassuring and understanding, they took my statement including a photo of my passport and escorted me all the way down to the train at B gates.

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Old Jul 31, 19, 4:59 am
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and if Busta was a top 50 rapper today they might pay. The truth is that the prime of his career was maybe 15-20 years ago, and is just not really big enough for them to pay serious money for such a story................. I should note that the comment above, 'But if he was white............." illustrates, supports and gives an inkling unfortunately of the kind of thing we would be seeing A LOT of had BA kicked BR and his group off the flight!
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Originally Posted by eugegall View Post
In my opinion BA have had two opportunities to do the right thing and failed you all on both. One, when they could have asked this knob to leave the plane and two, within a few hours of you landing you should have all personally received a call to at least hold out their hand to say, we are aware and on the case, sorry. (This hasn't happened as far as I can tell)
I filed an official BA Customer Relations case over the phone yesterday at 10am. As of now still no answer or update whatsoever by BA.
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Old Jul 31, 19, 5:08 am
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Personally and I may be a bad person I would have enjoyed if someone with such a behavior take the next plane
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Old Jul 31, 19, 5:10 am
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Me too @81romeo ... I have also suggested that I'll raise this as a formal complaint due to BA not exercising their duty of care towards the safety of passengers.

OH ... I forgot to mention one thing ... the CSD said these words multiple times to me and my wife "I have never seen anything like this in all the years I've been flying" and "this is worse than anything I've ever experienced" ...

Yet they still kept him on the flight!
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