BA Pilot Strike - What does Balpa want?
Jul 24, 2019, 1:23 am
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To the lay public 11.5 % over 3 years seems huge
you could put parallels with the NHS which has had years of pay freezes and are suddenly excited by a 2.5 % pay rise
Dont BA pilots earn a lot more than other british airlines?
I do agree though, BA have been tight with staff and passengers for a number if years, hence the profit
What are cabin crew asking for?
you could put parallels with the NHS which has had years of pay freezes and are suddenly excited by a 2.5 % pay rise
Dont BA pilots earn a lot more than other british airlines?
I do agree though, BA have been tight with staff and passengers for a number if years, hence the profit
What are cabin crew asking for?
The thing about pay increases is if you don't get one for long enough, you're well and truly f'd, cost of living since 2008 or 2001 has skyrocketed. Even if you were millions for argument's sake and your wage was frozen, your life style would probably not be the same as it was back in the day. You won't be booking JAL J, and would have to slum it in CW, even though air fares have gone down, everything else has gone up.
Jul 24, 2019, 2:14 am
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Call me simple, but wouldn't a profit-related bonus actually be better for BA? With a pay-rise, you build on that year after year in the future. A bonus is a one-off as and when things are good - with nothing to pay when the money isn't there.
Jul 24, 2019, 2:16 am
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Worth remembering that a typical £80k captain package, which would take a long time to achieve, is identical to what a newly qualified solicitor receives at a 'magic circle' London law firm. (Sullivan & Cromwell offers £101,000 if you are newly qualified, Latham & Watkins very similar.) Many graduate bankers would expect a similar sum in year 2 if not year 1.
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Jul 24, 2019, 2:22 am
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Both of which are enormously more than the majority will ever earn....you cannot compare two entirely different careers like that.
I'm not saying that either group don't earn their money, just saying that you cannot compare like that.
I'm not saying that either group don't earn their money, just saying that you cannot compare like that.
Jul 24, 2019, 2:23 am
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Worth remembering that a typical £80k captain package, which would take a long time to achieve, is identical to what a newly qualified solicitor receives at a 'magic circle' London law firm. (Sullivan & Cromwell offers £101,000 if you are newly qualified, Latham & Watkins very similar.) Many graduate bankers would expect a similar sum in year 2 if not year 1.
Jul 24, 2019, 2:26 am
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Also worth remembering those newbies will get whipped. My brother is one. There are some periods where he doesn't leave the office for two days straight. There's this 'break them' attitude in that industry.
Jul 24, 2019, 2:31 am
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Seems what BALPA wants is:
1. Rectifying the pay cuts during the financial crisis
2. Then adjusting for 11.5% over three years hereafter
3. Plus a profit-related bonus scheme
I think #3 is fair, although how that's dished out - some will do more hours than others, some more experienced than others? - is questionable. It'll also rattle shareholders who will want to secure their payouts. And if pilots are awarded it, what of the other staff? - that could create yet another problem and generate additional strikes from elsewhere in the company.
1. Rectifying the pay cuts during the financial crisis
2. Then adjusting for 11.5% over three years hereafter
3. Plus a profit-related bonus scheme
I think #3 is fair, although how that's dished out - some will do more hours than others, some more experienced than others? - is questionable. It'll also rattle shareholders who will want to secure their payouts. And if pilots are awarded it, what of the other staff? - that could create yet another problem and generate additional strikes from elsewhere in the company.
Jul 24, 2019, 2:36 am
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Jul 24, 2019, 3:08 am
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Worth remembering that a typical £80k captain package, which would take a long time to achieve, is identical to what a newly qualified solicitor receives at a 'magic circle' London law firm. (Sullivan & Cromwell offers £101,000 if you are newly qualified, Latham & Watkins very similar.) Many graduate bankers would expect a similar sum in year 2 if not year 1.
Jul 24, 2019, 3:15 am
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It all feels so familiar for BA. Just as they start committing cash investment on the passenger experience other pressures come to the boil.
The funding of the 78X, the 350-1000, the 77X and then the large 777replacment order plus the roll our of the new CWS will need a lot of profit to support the borrowing needed and of course part fund that capital investment from profit cash.
Wouldn't at all be surprised if the capex budget gets squeezed and the time lines for the customer investment extended.
I don't begrudge the BA staff a decent living. But since 2008 the customer has equalled suffered cut backs in service quality and product
The funding of the 78X, the 350-1000, the 77X and then the large 777replacment order plus the roll our of the new CWS will need a lot of profit to support the borrowing needed and of course part fund that capital investment from profit cash.
Wouldn't at all be surprised if the capex budget gets squeezed and the time lines for the customer investment extended.
I don't begrudge the BA staff a decent living. But since 2008 the customer has equalled suffered cut backs in service quality and product
Jul 24, 2019, 3:22 am
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Jul 24, 2019, 3:46 am
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Worth remembering that a typical £80k captain package, which would take a long time to achieve, is identical to what a newly qualified solicitor receives at a 'magic circle' London law firm. (Sullivan & Cromwell offers £101,000 if you are newly qualified, Latham & Watkins very similar.) Many graduate bankers would expect a similar sum in year 2 if not year 1.
I would put captains and consultants at the same level... Both highly skilled, have the lives of hundreds in their hands (twee but true), teach others, and are generally at the top of their profession. I don't blame BA pilots for bargaining hard; they're the workhorses for a private company making billions, not the lackies for an underfunded, creaking public institution with a chocolate teapot union (the BMA). That the two earn similar wages is madness.
