INV - LAS in October - impossible flight change
Jul 10, 2019, 6:20 am
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INV - LAS in October - impossible flight change
INV-LAS TP run/holiday booked 28/10-15/11
Had an email from BA informing me flight from JFK-LAX has been cancelled and have been rebooked.
First problem is arrive from HEL on AY but AA 8985 into JFK 1540 and originally booked on AA306 1700 to LAX (realise now MCT may be the cause of cancellation) HOWEVER new flight is AA 341 departing JFK 1430 (so 70 mins before I arrive !!)
So next available flight after 1700 is 1829 arriving LAX 2156 which means an overnight in LAX which I was trying to avoid.
Struggling to see alternatives as obviously want to keep my 880TP
Phoned BA and was told to wait until closer departure as schedules will no doubt change again - at this point I hadn’t realised the MCT was likely the issue and neither of us could work out why it wouldn’t show her the 1700 flight.
My questions are is MCT of 80 mins at JFK I-D too short (I think yes)
Any other suggestions ?
If I try to rebook HEL-LAS via different route ie HEL-LHR-LAS what are my chances of ORC?
Sorry if this is long winded but appreciate your time
Had an email from BA informing me flight from JFK-LAX has been cancelled and have been rebooked.
First problem is arrive from HEL on AY but AA 8985 into JFK 1540 and originally booked on AA306 1700 to LAX (realise now MCT may be the cause of cancellation) HOWEVER new flight is AA 341 departing JFK 1430 (so 70 mins before I arrive !!)
So next available flight after 1700 is 1829 arriving LAX 2156 which means an overnight in LAX which I was trying to avoid.
Struggling to see alternatives as obviously want to keep my 880TP
Phoned BA and was told to wait until closer departure as schedules will no doubt change again - at this point I hadn’t realised the MCT was likely the issue and neither of us could work out why it wouldn’t show her the 1700 flight.
My questions are is MCT of 80 mins at JFK I-D too short (I think yes)
Any other suggestions ?
If I try to rebook HEL-LAS via different route ie HEL-LHR-LAS what are my chances of ORC?
Sorry if this is long winded but appreciate your time
Jul 10, 2019, 6:28 am
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There's another easy route, HEL-LAX-LAS and I would personally try to claim for ORC, but I do not know if that's foolproof. Maybe someone else will be able to chime in.
Alternatively, I never have been able to route a TP run the route you're doing, so I don't know how you got it in the first place... However something like HEL-LHR-JFK-LAX-LAS is normally allowed as far as MCT and avoiding overnights goes. The bottleneck is that there's only few services between HEL and JFK, whereas with heathrow it's a lot easier.
Alternatively, I never have been able to route a TP run the route you're doing, so I don't know how you got it in the first place... However something like HEL-LHR-JFK-LAX-LAS is normally allowed as far as MCT and avoiding overnights goes. The bottleneck is that there's only few services between HEL and JFK, whereas with heathrow it's a lot easier.
Jul 10, 2019, 6:31 am
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Jul 10, 2019, 6:33 am
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orc is really for on the day irrops not for rebookings months out due to the inevitable aa domestic flight changes. so i don't think that would work here.
Jul 10, 2019, 7:09 am
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Still can’t work out how they managed to re book me on a flight that takes off before I land.
Looks like I will attempt to get rebooked on the 1700 (but thought I had seen MCT as 1.45) and end up on the later flight with an overnight in LAX
Jul 10, 2019, 7:25 am
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If your HEL-JFK-LAX-LAS flights are on 29/10 then the issue is that even if you take the 5pm flight to LAX there are no more flights to LAS after you land at LAX. What I would do is ask to get rebooked on the direct JFK-LAS flight (AA 2836). That way you'll avoid an overnight at LAX and will only lose 40 TPs.
Jul 10, 2019, 8:06 am
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If your HEL-JFK-LAX-LAS flights are on 29/10 then the issue is that even if you take the 5pm flight to LAX there are no more flights to LAS after you land at LAX. What I would do is ask to get rebooked on the direct JFK-LAS flight (AA 2836). That way you'll avoid an overnight at LAX and will only lose 40 TPs.
Only problem with JFK-LAS is no bed - call me spoilt! But don’t want to sit up for 6 hours.....
Jul 10, 2019, 9:01 am
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I've lost count at the number of times I've been booked on to that flight only to find a few weeks before travel that it has been removed from the timetable.
Jul 10, 2019, 9:52 am
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The original ticket does not violate MCT for JFK. While it is well under SCT (Sensible Connection Time), that is a different issue.
Now that it has been cancelled, BA has an obligation to reroute you INV-LAS and that is it under EC 261/2004. Whether BA will provide ORC for a reroute this far in advance is a purely customer service issue and nothing to do with BA's obligations under the Regulation.
Now that it has been cancelled, BA has an obligation to reroute you INV-LAS and that is it under EC 261/2004. Whether BA will provide ORC for a reroute this far in advance is a purely customer service issue and nothing to do with BA's obligations under the Regulation.
Jul 12, 2019, 11:30 am
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Another pile of schedule changes for me in October - need to wade through them - some seem to make same day returns impossible.
Jul 19, 2019, 8:45 am
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Quick question - as this flight has been cancelled which means I am unable to reach Las Vegas for the day I am originally booked for, what are my chances of getting my hotel in LAX paid for as I will have to overnight there now.
Jul 19, 2019, 10:38 am
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Given how late the 275 goes out, does it just mean that your tier point run has been disrupted?