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Is British Airways really just London Airways?

Old Jun 26, 19, 2:01 am
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Is British Airways really just London Airways?

Does anyone know if BA have plane to expand their services outside of London?

Sure I donít mind getting to London or connecting at Heathrow to go long haul. I do find it really annoying though that the only options I have out of of Manchester are often Ryan Air.

BAís offering these days is super if you live in London, but up north/scotland/wales, BAís offering is pathetic
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:07 am
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Ba have a handful of weekend services from MAN and some subsidiary services from other stations (eg logs air from Scottish airports etc) but is otherwise London based. Itís been like that for well over a decade though so Iím not sure about Ďthese daysí and there are no known plans to change either.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:24 am
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Very much London based for quite a while. Never made the region's work particularly well. Would have no chance now even if they wanted to with Ryanair, easyJet and even Flybe having such regional holds. It's either via London for BA metal from the regionals. Interestingly it could be argued KLM have for a long time sensed this as good option to fly regional pax via AMS hence you will see that KLM fly from many of the UK regionals quite successfully to their Dutch hub.i think their Norwich Amsterdam flying time is under 30 mins.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:28 am
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MAN has easyJet, Jet2, Lufthansa, AF, KLM, Vueling, IBeria Express, Finnair, CJ at the weekend, QR, EK, CX, SQ, AA, what exactly is missing?
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:49 am
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Iíve moved to the Cotswolds in the past year, and about 80% of my flying has moved to AF/KL/LH. Even though LHR is only a 1h30 drive itís still not worth going there for BA unless flying to the US. The regional options from BHX/BRS going East are second to none.

Feeder flights are well timed and usually full to bursting, so theyíre doing something right.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:51 am
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Maybe this is because I am not a Silver+. But are BA really that different from easyJet et. al. for Europe? Especially assuming decent travel insurance that one should have anyway.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by Agneisse View Post
....are BA really that different from easyJet et. al. for Europe?...
If you exclude E170/90 operated flights, then not really.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by demolineux View Post
Does anyone know if BA have plane to expand their services outside of London?
BA is using the very same model that all legacy carriers in Europe have moved to, namely the Hub-and-spoke model. LCC competition has made the economics of point--to-point services largely non-viable for legacy carriers. There are a handful of exceptions here and there but they are just that: exceptions. So, no: there is not much prospect of BA expanding services from outside London, in the same way as there is not much prospect of Iberia expanding services from outside Madrid, Alitalia outside Rome, Air France outside Paris, Lufthansa outside Frankfurt and Munich, Austrian outside Vienna, etc...
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Old Jun 26, 19, 3:33 am
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I guess it boils down to competition from the LCCs being too strong to make a lot of money from the regions. If BA were to compete for yet another MAN-ALC they would probably struggle.

The real money is in the LON-somewhere direct routes where fares, especially if you book just a few days before, can be eye-watering.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 3:42 am
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Originally Posted by NickB View Post
BA is using the very same model that all legacy carriers in Europe have moved to, namely the Hub-and-spoke model. LCC competition has made the economics of point--to-point services largely non-viable for legacy carriers. There are a handful of exceptions here and there but they are just that: exceptions. So, no: there is not much prospect of BA expanding services from outside London, in the same way as there is not much prospect of Iberia expanding services from outside Madrid, Alitalia outside Rome, Air France outside Paris, Lufthansa outside Frankfurt and Munich, Austrian outside Vienna, etc...
indeed i believe the only exceptions I can think of are LH which you mention which maintains a dual hub (and a couple of sub hubs operates by their main subsidiary) and SK a triple hub. LX also has some limited services from GVA. AZ once tried to maintain a double FCO/MXP hub but that did not end prettily and like you I canít imagine ba reopening regional bases imminently.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 3:43 am
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Britain just isn't big enough for a multi-hub long haul airline, and like it or not the short-haul operation only works as a mix of feeder traffic and O&D. Attempting anything different as a publically traded company would be irresponsible.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 3:53 am
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Originally Posted by richardwft View Post
MAN has easyJet, Jet2, Lufthansa, AF, KLM, Vueling, IBeria Express, Finnair, CJ at the weekend, QR, EK, CX, SQ, AA, what exactly is missing?
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Old Jun 26, 19, 4:24 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic View Post
AZ once tried to maintain a double FCO/MXP hub but that did not end prettily
They still have a significant operational presence in Milan (LIN), possibly merely not to lose the 'golden' slots (and at the cost of flying half-empty 321s to Rome & back over 30 times a day). But, yes, not ending prettily either

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Old Jun 26, 19, 4:35 am
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Originally Posted by demolineux View Post
Does anyone know if BA have plane to expand their services outside of London?

Sure I donít mind getting to London or connecting at Heathrow to go long haul. I do find it really annoying though that the only options I have out of of Manchester are often Ryan Air.

BAís offering these days is super if you live in London, but up north/scotland/wales, BAís offering is pathetic
British Airways is a name not a mission statement. It does not define their route network anymore than Virgin means either you or they are all virgins.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 4:44 am
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It surprises me that KLM can run three flights a day from LBA. But BA can manage only one!
Hence the London Airways tag...
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