P Selling Class TP?
Jun 20, 2019, 6:42 pm
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P Selling Class TP?
I booked WT - BA upgraded me at online check In to WTP. I then paid for a CW upgrade.
But my account information is showing it as P class and TP from WTP (I landed an hour ago)
What’s going on here? Will I get my full CW TP?
But my account information is showing it as P class and TP from WTP (I landed an hour ago)
What’s going on here? Will I get my full CW TP?
Jun 21, 2019, 1:19 am
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How much did you pay for your upgrade? This could indicate if they have charged a WTP/CW price or WT/CW. If the latter then I would expect you can claim the 140TPs. If the former then I think you may have more of a battle on your hands and they may say you are only entitled to the original WT TPs. Was the original ticket a cash fare or a reward booking?
However, never assume that what MMB states is correct and wait a few days to see what actually posts.
However, never assume that what MMB states is correct and wait a few days to see what actually posts.
Jun 21, 2019, 2:44 am
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From what you write, I gather that BA opup'ed you from WT to WT+, ie you did not pay for WT+. In this case, giving you the TPs for WT+ is entirely correct. And no, of course, if I read this correctly you are not entitled to CW TPs as you were opup'ed by one class and being opup'ed does not entitle to the TPs or avios of the travel class in which BA complementarily upgrades you.
Jun 21, 2019, 4:08 am
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The OP seems to have been opup'ed to WT+ and then done an AUP to CW.
The OP is entitled to TPs and avios for the originally booked WT cabin assuming it was a cash booking and not a reward booking.
The OP is entitled to TPs and avios for the originally booked WT cabin assuming it was a cash booking and not a reward booking.
Jun 21, 2019, 4:18 am
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It is obviously a confusing one, given the opup.
If at some stage you pay for an upgrade of a revenue fare, the standard expectation is to receive the TPs of the new cabin.
If the OP has only had to pay the standard WT+ to CW upgrade fee, then he’s obviously played the system somewhat (not in a bad way) and I have no idea how BA’s IT will manage the situation.
Having paid for an upgrade I would say the WT+ TPs are the minimum expectation and given that he paid to move to CW, the expectation to receive CW points is not OTT
If at some stage you pay for an upgrade of a revenue fare, the standard expectation is to receive the TPs of the new cabin.
If the OP has only had to pay the standard WT+ to CW upgrade fee, then he’s obviously played the system somewhat (not in a bad way) and I have no idea how BA’s IT will manage the situation.
Having paid for an upgrade I would say the WT+ TPs are the minimum expectation and given that he paid to move to CW, the expectation to receive CW points is not OTT
Jun 21, 2019, 5:34 am
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In all my years on FT and flying with BA, this is a new one on me.
I can see a justification for the following TPs:
My worry would be that if the OP pushes for more, they may get less.
I can see a justification for the following TPs:
WT - the original booked class. If the OP had upgraded with Avios and then paid for a CW upgrade, they would have received the WT TPs.
WT+ - The OP has paid for one level of upgrade from the paid ticket purchased which would make this arguable
CW - The OP paid to be in CW and hadn't performed an Avios upgrade
I assume that BA does have a policy for this situation and that they're following it, but that's quite an assumption!! I'm actually surprised that an Op-Uped ticket can be further upgraded so that's news to me
WT+ - The OP has paid for one level of upgrade from the paid ticket purchased which would make this arguable
CW - The OP paid to be in CW and hadn't performed an Avios upgrade
I assume that BA does have a policy for this situation and that they're following it, but that's quite an assumption!! I'm actually surprised that an Op-Uped ticket can be further upgraded so that's news to me
My worry would be that if the OP pushes for more, they may get less.
Jun 21, 2019, 6:18 am
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You can only ask.
Generally id say you were awarded fairly, as an op-up would only get you TPs from your original cabin, so the fact you got WT+ award is a bonus.
But on the basis you can pay cash to upgrade WT right to CW, and then you'd get the CW TPs, then they might oblige.
However look at at this way: you paid for a one class upgrade, and you got a one class upgrade reward too. Presumably it made CW in reach which wouldn't have been the case without the opup
Generally id say you were awarded fairly, as an op-up would only get you TPs from your original cabin, so the fact you got WT+ award is a bonus.
But on the basis you can pay cash to upgrade WT right to CW, and then you'd get the CW TPs, then they might oblige.
However look at at this way: you paid for a one class upgrade, and you got a one class upgrade reward too. Presumably it made CW in reach which wouldn't have been the case without the opup
Jun 21, 2019, 8:27 am
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My logic would be that you should get your WT TPs plus 50 TPs, because you were op-upped to WT+ and paid to go from there to CW, so should only get the difference between those two on top of your original ticket. Of course my logic and BA's are very likely to vary but that would appear to be fair.
Jun 21, 2019, 6:42 pm
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My logic is that I paid for CW. Not WTP so I should get the TP for it.
It does right now show me with the WTP TP but it did that as soon as BA upgraded me. Either way I assume worse case scenario is I would only ever get the WTP TP if I asked them?
It does right now show me with the WTP TP but it did that as soon as BA upgraded me. Either way I assume worse case scenario is I would only ever get the WTP TP if I asked them?
Jun 21, 2019, 7:12 pm
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Operational upgrades do not give higher tier points or Avios. So if you bought with cash an World Traveler ticket, they operation upgraded you to World Traveler Plus, you would still only get World Traveler tier points and Avios. Even if you now paid cash to Club World, the normal expectation would be you still only get World Traveler, unless the price you paid was for World Travel to Club World and not just World Traveler Plus to Club World.
Jun 21, 2019, 10:24 pm
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However one of your upgrades was an involuntary upgrade - you only paid for one class of cabin upgrade ; involuntary upgrades should only earn based on original class of service ( though sometimes can get luccky )
Jun 22, 2019, 2:32 am
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Jun 22, 2019, 4:16 pm
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BA credited the full 140TP to my account despite the flight info showing the WTP TP as I said before. No need therefore to chase this. I got the outcome I wanted and did nothing.
Jun 22, 2019, 4:51 pm
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Jun 22, 2019, 11:14 pm
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I had exactly this situation a couple of years ago, and even wrote in, I only got the WT tier points.
However, the op up obviously totally confused them at check in when I asked about the AUP, because they only charged me Ł185 to go from WTP to CW!! (LGW-LAS) which is the usual WT-WTP aup price.
However, the op up obviously totally confused them at check in when I asked about the AUP, because they only charged me Ł185 to go from WTP to CW!! (LGW-LAS) which is the usual WT-WTP aup price.