IAG signs LOI for 200 737MAX - some for BA LGW
Jun 19, 2019, 5:55 am
#121
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Must have been given a fantastic price.
But as others have said, possibly poor judgement. If another one crashes people will actively avoid the MAX even more than they already will, and IAG seems to want to operate every aircraft type going. It can hardly be cost effective.
But as others have said, possibly poor judgement. If another one crashes people will actively avoid the MAX even more than they already will, and IAG seems to want to operate every aircraft type going. It can hardly be cost effective.
Jun 19, 2019, 6:54 am
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The Times newspaper
I can only assume BA comms/management enjoy and thrive off negative headlines...
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Jun 19, 2019, 7:05 am
#123
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Swallow the negative news, wait until the aircraft is recertified as safe, cross their fingers and in a few years hope the reputation has improved.
Jun 19, 2019, 9:14 am
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This was well hashed out on the Air Canada forum, as AC operated a number of Max`s, but the conclusion is that the different engine location in the Max produces inherent instability during certain regions of flight. Thus the need for MCAS to overcome some of this instability, but as we saw, the software is halfbaked and produced fatal results.
I suppose in many ways it`s something like the B2 bomber that needs the computers to fly it, but I`m not sure that is desirable in a civilian aircraft, where there are ways to develop a stable aircraft that can be flown by humans without computer assist if needed. Boeing was just too cheap to do it and threw together the Max design to try and compete with Airbus. None of which give me warm fuzzy feelings about flying on one again. I have flow on AC`s Max, and the narrow seats are noticeable.I`m not a large person, and after an hour I was ready to get off after being squashed in the seat.
I suppose in many ways it`s something like the B2 bomber that needs the computers to fly it, but I`m not sure that is desirable in a civilian aircraft, where there are ways to develop a stable aircraft that can be flown by humans without computer assist if needed. Boeing was just too cheap to do it and threw together the Max design to try and compete with Airbus. None of which give me warm fuzzy feelings about flying on one again. I have flow on AC`s Max, and the narrow seats are noticeable.I`m not a large person, and after an hour I was ready to get off after being squashed in the seat.
Jun 19, 2019, 9:26 am
#125
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I've always avoided 737s for the last 25+ years when I had a choice for comfort level reasons and having flown a few times on AC 737MAX sectors before the crashes I'd already made up my mind to continue that personal travel policy. Fortunately there are lots of options still
Jun 19, 2019, 9:38 am
#126
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I'm not sure about that. Other airlines confirming orders of neos at Paris are giving 2023 as delivery dates, eg. Atlantic Airways who I doubt have the clout of IAG. Yes, Airbus has something like seven years worth of orders for the neos but it appears they have gaps in production from 2023 onwards.
Jun 19, 2019, 10:07 am
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-737-max-jet
WW has clearly been doing a lot of talking with Boeing recently, it was also announced on Monday that Boeing will now be supplying A320 parts for BA which is a first and, on the face of it, seems pretty weird. I don't get how Boeing can store and supply Airbus parts cheaper than BA buying direct from Airbus and storing them themselves but clearly they can. Perhaps IAG are at the forefront of the MAX re-branding as part of the latest deals.
Jun 19, 2019, 11:11 am
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Julie Johnson interviewed Boeing's CFO on Monday with the resulting headline "Boeing Says It's Open to Changing the name of Grounded 737 Max Jet".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-737-max-jet
WW has clearly been doing a lot of talking with Boeing recently, it was also announced on Monday that Boeing will now be supplying A320 parts for BA which is a first and, on the face of it, seems pretty weird. I don't get how Boeing can store and supply Airbus parts cheaper than BA buying direct from Airbus and storing them themselves but clearly they can. Perhaps IAG are at the forefront of the MAX re-branding as part of the latest deals.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-737-max-jet
WW has clearly been doing a lot of talking with Boeing recently, it was also announced on Monday that Boeing will now be supplying A320 parts for BA which is a first and, on the face of it, seems pretty weird. I don't get how Boeing can store and supply Airbus parts cheaper than BA buying direct from Airbus and storing them themselves but clearly they can. Perhaps IAG are at the forefront of the MAX re-branding as part of the latest deals.
Jun 19, 2019, 11:40 am
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I'm not sure about that. Other airlines confirming orders of neos at Paris are giving 2023 as delivery dates, eg. Atlantic Airways who I doubt have the clout of IAG. Yes, Airbus has something like seven years worth of orders for the neos but it appears they have gaps in production from 2023 onwards.
Air Asia just converted 253 Orders to A321... one would assume that frees up some space on a separate production line?
Jun 19, 2019, 1:36 pm
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What worries me is Boeing and their lobbyist trying to deflect blame into the pilots. Errors happen tragic those this is, but I have far higher confidence in those that can be honest about the mistakes and learn from them. I fear Boeing thinks their only mistake is getting caught.
Jun 19, 2019, 1:42 pm
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Aen't the A319 / A320 / A321 all built on the same production line(s) though? So simply converting one of the series type to another frees up zero nett space?
Jun 19, 2019, 2:28 pm
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The MCAS software on the 7M8 was put there, initially without telling the airlines to combat a design flaw.
Updated software or not, I'm not flying on a plane that is of flawed design no matter who says it's safe and I'll find another way to make my journeys.
After the introduction of the 787 and the fires and the crashes of the 7M8 I won't be on the 779 any time soon either.
If it's a Boeing, I'm not going!
Updated software or not, I'm not flying on a plane that is of flawed design no matter who says it's safe and I'll find another way to make my journeys.
After the introduction of the 787 and the fires and the crashes of the 7M8 I won't be on the 779 any time soon either.
If it's a Boeing, I'm not going!
Jun 19, 2019, 2:29 pm
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Toulouse principally assembles the A320
Hamburg principally assembles the A321
Mobile A320 & A321
Tianjin A319, A320 & A321
So a move to A321 from A320 frees up assembly space at Toulouse and vice versa. Although this is probably overly simplistic as sub assemblies come from various manufacturing facilities and third party manufacturers.