BA835 - 14/06 - Hard Landing then Go Around
Jun 15, 2019, 3:13 am
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Hi all,
Had a bit of a funny experience today and wondered how common this is?
Very bumpy approach into Heathrow today, seemed faster than usual on final and with an almighty bang we touched down but then took off again. I know go arounds are more than standard but how often are go arounds happening after touching the tarmac?
Then oddly enough the captain came on the PA to say that both it was windy but the go around was caused by a plane on the runway.
I have a light pilots licence and if that was the case the controller would have asked for a go around way before touching the runway. Maybe he was just embarrassed to admit that he couldn't quite handle the aircraft during those particular challenging conditions. it just seemed very contradictory.
All in all they did a great job and I'm sure we were very safe at all times so congrats for landing in those conditions. Was very gusty indeed.
Had a bit of a funny experience today and wondered how common this is?
Very bumpy approach into Heathrow today, seemed faster than usual on final and with an almighty bang we touched down but then took off again. I know go arounds are more than standard but how often are go arounds happening after touching the tarmac?
Then oddly enough the captain came on the PA to say that both it was windy but the go around was caused by a plane on the runway.
I have a light pilots licence and if that was the case the controller would have asked for a go around way before touching the runway. Maybe he was just embarrassed to admit that he couldn't quite handle the aircraft during those particular challenging conditions. it just seemed very contradictory.
All in all they did a great job and I'm sure we were very safe at all times so congrats for landing in those conditions. Was very gusty indeed.
Jun 15, 2019, 3:31 am
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A low level go around may result in contact with the runway, due to the time required for big engines to spool up to go around thrust, combined with the downward momentum of the aircraft. Pushing the toga (take of /go arround ) buttons on the thrust levers disarms the auto spoiler whilst airborn.
Jun 15, 2019, 4:43 am
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Jun 15, 2019, 5:00 am
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Only one go-around for me ... F-27 into SOU on a rather turbulent day, on short final when a light a/c entered the runway without clearance. Quick blast of power, and bumped around the pattern to have another go. Bloody puddle-jumpers!
Jun 15, 2019, 5:12 am
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Indeed, 100% agreed. They really are true asset to aviation.
Jun 15, 2019, 9:22 am
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Jun 15, 2019, 9:24 am
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No clue, there was no need to divert, weather was totally fine.
Jun 15, 2019, 9:44 am
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Not sure what time this was, but late evening yesterday, as I had a long layover while getting over to the HGI (after getting out from Hatton Cross station), there were a couple of planes coming in, and one of them was the Finnair flight from HEL. This AY flight was about to land (just before the BP petrol station), it had to an aborted landing, first time seeing this from the ground (I've experienced more than a couple of times an aborted landing).
Not sure if this was due to weather or aircraft on runway, as the Air Canada flight behind it just landed as normal.
Cheers!
Not sure if this was due to weather or aircraft on runway, as the Air Canada flight behind it just landed as normal.
Cheers!
Jun 15, 2019, 10:04 am
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I had one brief touchdown followed by a dramatic power up and then landing at another airport about a hundred miles away. If was a flight that had already been delayed by summer thunderstorms and the story was that the first airport lost all electrical power just as we were touching down. It was an exciting flight for geeks, but I never felt unsafe.
IANAP (I am not a pilot) but I've been told that pilots are trained from the beginning that if they suspect a problem, they get the aircraft back up in the air instantly and do a go around and landing once the situation has been clarified to be safe.
IANAP (I am not a pilot) but I've been told that pilots are trained from the beginning that if they suspect a problem, they get the aircraft back up in the air instantly and do a go around and landing once the situation has been clarified to be safe.
Jun 15, 2019, 10:14 am
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100%, though preferably prior to touching down.
Jun 15, 2019, 10:16 am
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While most common there are other factors, such as an unstable approach (not necessarily due to wind, the pilot could've just c*cked it up), emergency equipment needing to cross the runway and taking precedence in the case of an incident (brake fire at JFK recently caused this kind of go around), warning indications in the cockpit, etc.
Jun 15, 2019, 10:18 am
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True, but then I think there are also some problems which would be better dealt with if you continued the landing such as a cargo/engine fire indication.
Jun 15, 2019, 10:19 am
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Jun 15, 2019, 10:22 am
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Actually, unless there are identified comms difficulties, no ATCO would use ‘over’ or indeed ‘out’ ... except in the latter case to shut someone up! 
Jun 15, 2019, 11:47 am
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The only other times I distinctly remember hearing "out" in the aviation context from the 'proper' end is at the end of ATIS*.
I did say "out" once when I had to unplug the headsets for safety reason and there were no speakers so I couldn't have heard them, just to make it clear, after I told them what was happening.
However, when it comes to marine radio transmissions, I hear it all the time, and sometimes even use "over". Much less disciplined or congested in the marine context though! The last time I used it was a few weeks ago when the a certain navy (non-EU/non-Commonwealth) decided that they wanted to congregate in the area and started giving a number of annoying civilian boats instructions to get us out of the area. They told us "180" but didn't say 180 what - did they mean "turn 180" or "heading 180" which we had to clarify (they meant heading, as it turns out).
*This is not for T8191 but for those who aren't familiar, ATIS = Automatic Terminal Information Service, basically it's mostly the aviation weather stuff
Going back to the subject of going around with the wheels having touched the ground, I can't even remember where it was or which airline it was, but I had one instance this year, because of preceding traffic being slow to vacate. I went through a phase of flying into fog-prone airports with just Cat I and had so many go-arounds that they stopped registering in my mind.
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