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LHR/LGW pilots (BALPA) industrial action 9 Sep, 10 Sep, and 27 Sep

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Help! What do I do now?
Most importantly, don't panic and don't do anything in haste. Read these FAQ. Read the thread, particularly the posts starting from the time that the strike dates were announced. Identify your options. Think about what works for you. Then take action. If you do anything in haste, you may have thrown away good options, or you may have thrown away money that you needn't have spent.

NOTE: Some emails have been sent out by mistake notifying the cancellation of flights on 8 September and other dates. If your booking still looks OK in MMB then you don't need to take further action. A cancelled flight should be shown in MMB with struck-through text. If your flight details are not struck through, then it probably hasn't actually been cancelled. You could check ba.com to see whether BA is still taking reservations for the flight in question. If so, then the flight has not been cancelled. You may also try checking on ExpertFlyer, if you have access, to see whether your flight appears still to be operating and whether BA is still taking reservations. However, some afternoon/evening flights on 8 September have genuinely been cancelled. See main thread for details.

Has a strike been called yet?
Yes. BALPA, the pilots' union, has voted in favour of strike action, and the Court of Appeal has rejected BA's submission to have the poll set aside, so the legal process is now over. The two parties went back into talks after the legal proceedings and those talks were expected to continue into the week of 5 August.

BALPA on 23 Aug announced strikes on Monday 9 September Tuesday 10 September and Friday 27 September.

Any further strikes normally require 2 weeks notice under UK legislation.

What flights may be affected?
LHR and LGW based flights. Not LCY or STN flights. Both cabin and flight crew are in dispute with BA, but the pilots (captains, senior first officers, first officers) are closest to strike action.

How long would a strike last?
The initial strikes are for two days the a single day, with normal working in between. Any other strikes could be of any length. It would be rare in the UK for there to be a full time strike.

What would happen to my flights if it is a strike day?
A range of options have been announced, see post 1551 below for more information: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post31451055

and BA Trade Site guidance here: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...kba?faqid=7594

Rebooking is now allowed on Iberia, AA, Finnair, JAL and Qatar. Within Europe EI and Vueling are also allowed. This is for both revenue and redemption flights.

and the FAQ on BA.com here (this includes information on BA Holidays bookings which are substantially different): https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...st-information

Can I do anything with an existing booking now?
Yes. Your options are different depending on whether your flights are currently showing as cancelled or not. See the links above.

What about Heathrow staff - aren't their strikes planned there too?
Yes there is a separate dispute at the moment between Heathrow Airport (HAL) and their staff such as those who operate the security checkpoints. See the separate thread on the issue.

Am I protected by EC261 if there is a problem?
You are always covered by the Right to Care provisions of Regulation EC261. You could potentially be able to claim compensation for delays, cancellations and downgrades caused by BA staff action too, but not for HAL strikes (for cancellations only if there is flight is less than 14 dayís notice). See the main EC261 thread in the BA Forum Dashboard.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 2:10 pm
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I fully support the crew going on strike. Given the low salaries, especially MF, and especially if true that it only applies to the base salary, the offer is a pittance. For London living, it must be challenging to make ends meet.

There is no reason an employer like BA shouldnít be able to at the very least make a 5% yearly offering given the profits it is making.

Edit: and to be clear, I do have multiple flights booked in August and still support this. Fair pay is incredibly important (to all, and I donít think itís fair to point out that some people may have it worse).
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Old Jun 19, 19, 2:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
At times of Record profits for IAG, and record payments to the Boss class, I have enormous sympathy for the MF crew, who have a basic pay way below what is required to exist (let alone live) in West London.
4% of not a lot is still not a lot.
Whilst the longer serving Legacy crew are not quite in the same boat, as their pay is better, the MF crew will need the solidarity of Legacy as otherwise BA will pick them apart.
The BA managerial hardliners who beat the BASSA crew some years ago have all left. We do not know how good the current lot are at Employee Relations matters.
Given how average they are at Customer Relations, it will be Interesting times.
What's interesting this time is it's not just Cabin Crew of various legacies and contracts, it's pilots and ground staff and engineering too. So a completely overwhelming stand off from a united operational front.

Waterside cabin crew volunteers aren't going to plug the gaps this time.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by skiaplg View Post
I fully support the crew going on strike. Given the low salaries, especially MF, and especially if true that it only applies to the base salary, the offer is a pittance. For London living, it must be challenging to make ends meet.

There is no reason an employer like BA shouldnít be able to at the very least make a 5% yearly offering given the profits it is making.

Edit: and to be clear, I do have multiple flights booked in August and still support this. Fair pay is incredibly important (to all, and I donít think itís fair to point out that some people may have it worse).
So while IAG or any other business is making money it should pay more. Let us look at the reverse side of it. If there is a slowdown/recession will these workers agree to go back to pre raise days ? More importantly when a businness loses $$$ ( airlines have lost a bullion dollars) would these employees write them a check ?
Sounds crazy ? Well so does a living wage argument !
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Old Jun 19, 19, 7:45 pm
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Let us look at the reverse side of it. If there is a slowdown/recession will these workers agree to go back to pre raise days ?
They already did just that in the last recession.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by HMPS View Post
So while IAG or any other business is making money it should pay more. Let us look at the reverse side of it. If there is a slowdown/recession will these workers agree to go back to pre raise days ? More importantly when a businness loses $$$ ( airlines have lost a bullion dollars) would these employees write them a check ?
Sounds crazy ? Well so does a living wage argument !
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that pilots took a £5k pay cut in 2001 after 9/11 when the airline was bleeding money and they are STILL waiting to get it back. This is part of the current dispute.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that pilots took a £5k pay cut in 2001 after 9/11 when the airline was bleeding money and they are STILL waiting to get it back. This is part of the current dispute.
worth a lot more now with inflation... plus the cuts eurofleet pilots took to make bmi work.
this will be high stakes: last big dispute effectively cost the BA ceo his job (then sir Keith took over the role and smoothed discussions). How do we reckon the yellow vested one will be in union discussions?
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Old Jun 19, 19, 8:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Jagboi View Post
They already did just that in the last recession.
Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that pilots took a £5k pay cut in 2001 after 9/11 when the airline was bleeding money and they are STILL waiting to get it back. This is part of the current dispute.
It it was promised shame on this management for breaking BA's word. But the question for BA or any other business, do employees in general agree to mail a cheque when the business loses money ? Every time ?
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Old Jun 19, 19, 9:30 pm
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Mixed Fleet had a strike recently? Has the agreement that came out of that expired already?

Edit: I'm referring to the 2017 strike.

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Old Jun 19, 19, 11:08 pm
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Originally Posted by HMPS View Post
It it was promised shame on this management for breaking BA's word. But the question for BA or any other business, do employees in general agree to mail a cheque when the business loses money ? Every time ?
No, as pay is given in return for the work already done. However, having worked for multiple companies losing money, in both cases have had 0 pay raises (effective pay cut with inflation), non replacement of colleagues (effectively more work for same pay), and no bonuses, and the employees did agree to this. Those who didnít, left.

If if I understand this dispute correctly, itís not like they are asking for backdated pay for all years when the company was making a profit, just as the company is now doing well, it is fair that a) past agreements be honoured and b) that the employees that enable the company to be making these profits be rewarded with decent above inflation pay raises.
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Old Jun 20, 19, 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by anc305 View Post
Unions have their place , but when they throw in statements like " Exhausted Employees " it makes them sound like children. The FAs don't have a hard job in flight. They get to work in a clean , climate controlled atmosphere , in a comfortable uniform , and they get breaks and nappy time. The flights average @ 10:30 min from LGW-LAS-LGW . Then they get to rest 20+ hours in between ( which most don't take full advantage of ). This should not be exhausting to anyone that is here " FOR YOUR SAFETY " and physically fit.

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The voice of expertise and experience speaks. Others have said it. When did you last do the job and what precisely qualifies you to make the statement.? Please share. Nappy time? Most FAs (God how I hate that sill politically correct term) were House Trained long ago On reflection you may not be British and mean that they (used to be we) pop off and sleep half the time. Iím in quandary as to which is the least offensive.

One day out is fine 7-8 hours East Coast, but not longer. To respond to the question - should Gatwick or any staff exercise their lawful right to go on strike having gone through the due process it will prove exceedingly inconvenient to many. Some of can be flexible, others not so. I watch with interest.
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Old Jun 20, 19, 12:53 am
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All that compares nicely with the c. 1.5% on our Mil pensions, and similar on our State pensions, and c. 1.5% on savings income too. I guess we could Ďchange jobsí, come out of retirement, and stack supermarket shelves.

I wish there was an OAPís Union who could organise some way for the millions of us to cause major disruption to other peoplesí lives.
I don't know if it's the same in Jersey, but I wish that I had the Pensions Triple Lock (basic state pension will rise by a minimum of either 2.5%, the rate of inflation or average earnings growth, whichever is largest). I think if you went "on strike" with that deal in place you must be aligned with the RMT!

I do have a lot of sympathy with BA staff, particularly the Mixed Fleet employees, who appear to have a really low basic package.
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Old Jun 20, 19, 1:49 am
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Hi All new here.
Been reading for a fair while but decided to get myself an account. The threat of strike concerns me a little with the impact as I'm going away mid September for a rather expensive holiday (as a one off as the last one was wrecked by a hurricane). I'm hoping it doesn't get ruined by industrial action.
On the flip side however, I used to be MF crew myself back in the day when it first started and was one of the first crews to operate the A380 which I am proud of to this day. MF crew wages are a pittance starting at £12k basic (at least it was when I joined) with £2.60per hr when at work. They don't have anywhere near the perks of Legacy crews, or VS crew for that matter. I do think they should be paid a lot more for what they do and at least given some more perks rather than the "Work for 5yrs, yet one free CW Ticket" which in case you're wondering I didn't get.
I know where they are coming from. Now, I work for the Police and have endured cuts and an ongoing pay freeze​ meaning our wage is 15% below inflation now which is making it particularly difficult for most, especially new recruits starting on £19-22k basic. We aren't allow to strike to try and improve our dire conditions. We aren't allowed to even group up to discuss and plan anything of the sort as it is illegal which makes our situation even more difficult and frustrating.
I remember while at MF we fought and fought just to get Union recognition so fair play to all for trying to increase their conditions and be rewarded a fairer rate. I just hope and pray it doesn't ruin my holiday and cause mass disruption!
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Old Jun 20, 19, 12:54 pm
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Wow! So many supporting the BA crew who going back to 1970s style of industrial action.
well, only people who wins in this and that will be other airlines and staff.
Dont like the terms and conditions and salary offered? Then leave, don’t hit the hard working families who need their holidays and also had not had pay rises or minimal increases under inflation.
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Old Jun 20, 19, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by jp-mco View Post
Just in case anyone is wondering Simon Calder has said that any disruption would not occur until 5 August. Iím relieved as weíre flying out end of July!
Excellent, and I'll be flying BA out of gatters on the 7th, family in tow. Perhaps. Maybe. Who knows...

Admittedly whatever happens it won't be as much fun as the 27th May IT meltdown from a couple of years back, but at least they comp'd me my holiday (pretty much) and 2 years status extension from that, which was nice.
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Old Jun 20, 19, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by AlanA View Post
Wow! So many supporting the BA crew who going back to 1970s style of industrial action.
well, only people who wins in this and that will be other airlines and staff.
Dont like the terms and conditions and salary offered? Then leave, donít hit the hard working families who need their holidays and also had not had pay rises or minimal increases under inflation.
Be careful what you wish for. If the pilots resigned on mass the airline would last 2 days.
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