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LHR/LGW pilots (BALPA) industrial action 9 Sep, 10 Sep, and 27 Sep

LHR/LGW pilots (BALPA) industrial action 9 Sep, 10 Sep, and 27 Sep

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Help! What do I do now?
Most importantly, don't panic and don't do anything in haste. Read these FAQ. Read the thread, particularly the posts starting from the time that the strike dates were announced. Identify your options. Think about what works for you. Then take action. If you do anything in haste, you may have thrown away good options, or you may have thrown away money that you needn't have spent.

NOTE: Some emails have been sent out by mistake notifying the cancellation of flights on 8 September and other dates. If your booking still looks OK in MMB then you don't need to take further action. A cancelled flight should be shown in MMB with struck-through text. If your flight details are not struck through, then it probably hasn't actually been cancelled. You could check ba.com to see whether BA is still taking reservations for the flight in question. If so, then the flight has not been cancelled. You may also try checking on ExpertFlyer, if you have access, to see whether your flight appears still to be operating and whether BA is still taking reservations. However, some afternoon/evening flights on 8 September have genuinely been cancelled. See main thread for details.

Has a strike been called yet?
Yes. BALPA, the pilots' union, has voted in favour of strike action, and the Court of Appeal has rejected BA's submission to have the poll set aside, so the legal process is now over. The two parties went back into talks after the legal proceedings and those talks were expected to continue into the week of 5 August.

BALPA on 23 Aug announced strikes on Monday 9 September Tuesday 10 September and Friday 27 September.

Any further strikes normally require 2 weeks notice under UK legislation.

What flights may be affected?
LHR and LGW based flights. Not LCY or STN flights. Both cabin and flight crew are in dispute with BA, but the pilots (captains, senior first officers, first officers) are closest to strike action.

How long would a strike last?
The initial strikes are for two days the a single day, with normal working in between. Any other strikes could be of any length. It would be rare in the UK for there to be a full time strike.

What would happen to my flights if it is a strike day?
A range of options have been announced, see post 1551 below for more information: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post31451055

and BA Trade Site guidance here: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...kba?faqid=7594

Rebooking is now allowed on Iberia, AA, Finnair, JAL and Qatar. Within Europe EI and Vueling are also allowed. This is for both revenue and redemption flights.

and the FAQ on BA.com here (this includes information on BA Holidays bookings which are substantially different): https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...st-information

Can I do anything with an existing booking now?
Yes. Your options are different depending on whether your flights are currently showing as cancelled or not. See the links above.

What about Heathrow staff - aren't their strikes planned there too?
Yes there is a separate dispute at the moment between Heathrow Airport (HAL) and their staff such as those who operate the security checkpoints. See the separate thread on the issue.

Am I protected by EC261 if there is a problem?
You are always covered by the Right to Care provisions of Regulation EC261. You could potentially be able to claim compensation for delays, cancellations and downgrades caused by BA staff action too, but not for HAL strikes (for cancellations only if there is flight is less than 14 dayís notice). See the main EC261 thread in the BA Forum Dashboard.
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Old Nov 2, 19, 3:18 am
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Originally Posted by 13901 View Post
Oh, how smug will Cruz be if this turns to be true and not the usual Daily Mail ďalternative factsĒ.
incredibly smug I imagine. I wonder (if itís true) if BA conceded things like travel concessions - if they didnít Iíd be amazed if BALPA had folded
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Old Nov 2, 19, 4:52 am
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I would be very surprised if the Daily mail report was real. BALPA has avoided striking over holiday periods, and a Christmas strike was always considered unlikely. Nothing like fear to sell papers though.
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Old Nov 2, 19, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by rapidex View Post
I would be very surprised if the Daily mail report was real. BALPA has avoided striking over holiday periods, and a Christmas strike was always considered unlikely. Nothing like fear to sell papers though.
There appears to be some truth in the Daily Mail article, according to The Sun, it has received a leaked letter:

”In a letter leaked to The Sun, Balpa chiefs reckon it is “the time to bank the package on the table”.

An insider described the decision as a “massive and embarrassing climbdown”.

The union grounded BA’s fleet for two days in September and had threatened a ten-day walkout over Christmas. But after four weeks of stalemate, BA has agreed to reinstate a previous pay offer of 11.9 per cent over three years.

Striking pilots were stripped of free travel perks. They will be reinstated but not until next September.”


Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/102629...es-called-off/
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Old Nov 2, 19, 9:44 am
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So some pilots will have lost pay and perks (for a year) and got nothing in return? Think the union chiefs in question will be pretty unpopular as a result - not unprecedented for members to reject the unionís recommendation at times...
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Old Nov 2, 19, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by lorcancoyle View Post
So some pilots will have lost pay and perks (for a year) and got nothing in return? Think the union chiefs in question will be pretty unpopular as a result - not unprecedented for members to reject the unionís recommendation at times...
indeed, if this is accurate itís beyond pathetic. The pilots are probably in the strongest position they have been or will be for some considerable time
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Old Nov 2, 19, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post
indeed, if this is accurate itís beyond pathetic. The pilots are probably in the strongest position they have been or will be for some considerable time
In broad terms, I would agree - IF it is indeed accurate.

The potent combination of a) pure impact on bottom-line profit, b) damage to a brand image already dented from the previous strike, c) the sheer hassle factor of BA having to source alternative seats, and d) the loss of confidence in those about to place forward bookings ..... tells me that just two more Ďstrike daysí would have seen BA buckle.

Anyone of the view that the pilots have a solid, justified, case must surely believe also that - having got to this point - there was an excellent opportunity to progress their cause,

Time will tell whether these unconfirmed reports have got the facts right or not.
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Old Nov 2, 19, 10:34 am
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It is a massive IF for sure
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Old Nov 2, 19, 12:10 pm
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Accepting we don’t know facts, and acceptin subject2load’s points, it is possible that BA were offering even more severe penalties than those apparently already imposed.

A most unpleasant scenario for all those involved, and with no definitive end in sight.
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Old Nov 2, 19, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post
indeed, if this is accurate itís beyond pathetic. The pilots are probably in the strongest position they have been or will be for some considerable time
And if this is an accurate report it's setting a trend for any future pay disputes, for BALPA it's kind of now or never.
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Old Nov 2, 19, 12:38 pm
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According to the Sun - Other factors in the U-turn include the demise of Thomas Cookwith their pilots ready to take on BA jobs
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Old Nov 2, 19, 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Agent69 View Post
There wasn't a 100% crossover between fleets, so any TC pilots would have to go through conversion courses and be trained in BA procedures. As mentioned here there is a training backlog, so the very earliest any TC pilots could be working is at least 6 months from now even if they were hired today. Plenty of time for disruptions that BA couldn't recover from if the pilots went on strike.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 4:21 am
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Originally Posted by Jagboi View Post
There wasn't a 100% crossover between fleets, so any TC pilots would have to go through conversion courses and be trained in BA procedures. As mentioned here there is a training backlog, so the very earliest any TC pilots could be working is at least 6 months from now even if they were hired today. Plenty of time for disruptions that BA couldn't recover from if the pilots went on strike.
Plus the pilots doing the training are the ones on strike and BA training is already pretty full.

I did think that the dispute was close to being resolved but from what I see on Twitter the offer has sugarcoated the RPI underpin and has angered pilots even more..

Like Brexit, just when you think thereís a development itís opened another can of worms so just a waiting game.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 5:28 am
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Just a little more meat on the bare bones of the tabloid reports here - including the significant point that ďAny decision to back down will have to be put to a vote and itís believed no formal ballot process has yet started.Ē

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2...-backing-down/
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Old Nov 3, 19, 5:43 am
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And my opinion from what I have read is that there is no way our pilots will accept this offer.
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Old Nov 3, 19, 6:50 am
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I find some of the posts surreal.

As if the financial situation of pilots was unrelated to that of BA.
Since the pilots rejected BA's offer and prepared for strike earlier this year, the global economic situation has considerably worsened. Most airlines have tuned down their expansion/profit forecast. Already on 2 June, IATA predicted an airline profit squeeze and the economic situation has gotten much worse in a few months. That is unrelated to the pilot strike. It is unsure that BA would have been willing to offer the 11.9% raise in today's environment.
Of course, the further damages inflicted by the strikes do not help.

Sure, everyone would prefer a 15% or 30% raise to 11%. But the evolution of global economic conditions have not worked in the the pilots favor and maybe they should avoid being trapped in an emotional bubble.
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