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LHR/LGW pilots (BALPA) industrial action 9 Sep, 10 Sep, and 27 Sep

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Help! What do I do now?
Most importantly, don't panic and don't do anything in haste. Read these FAQ. Read the thread, particularly the posts starting from the time that the strike dates were announced. Identify your options. Think about what works for you. Then take action. If you do anything in haste, you may have thrown away good options, or you may have thrown away money that you needn't have spent.

NOTE: Some emails have been sent out by mistake notifying the cancellation of flights on 8 September and other dates. If your booking still looks OK in MMB then you don't need to take further action. A cancelled flight should be shown in MMB with struck-through text. If your flight details are not struck through, then it probably hasn't actually been cancelled. You could check ba.com to see whether BA is still taking reservations for the flight in question. If so, then the flight has not been cancelled. You may also try checking on ExpertFlyer, if you have access, to see whether your flight appears still to be operating and whether BA is still taking reservations. However, some afternoon/evening flights on 8 September have genuinely been cancelled. See main thread for details.

Has a strike been called yet?
Yes. BALPA, the pilots' union, has voted in favour of strike action, and the Court of Appeal has rejected BA's submission to have the poll set aside, so the legal process is now over. The two parties went back into talks after the legal proceedings and those talks were expected to continue into the week of 5 August.

BALPA on 23 Aug announced strikes on Monday 9 September Tuesday 10 September and Friday 27 September.

Any further strikes normally require 2 weeks notice under UK legislation.

What flights may be affected?
LHR and LGW based flights. Not LCY or STN flights. Both cabin and flight crew are in dispute with BA, but the pilots (captains, senior first officers, first officers) are closest to strike action.

How long would a strike last?
The initial strikes are for two days the a single day, with normal working in between. Any other strikes could be of any length. It would be rare in the UK for there to be a full time strike.

What would happen to my flights if it is a strike day?
A range of options have been announced, see post 1551 below for more information: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post31451055

and BA Trade Site guidance here: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...kba?faqid=7594

Rebooking is now allowed on Iberia, AA, Finnair, JAL and Qatar. Within Europe EI and Vueling are also allowed. This is for both revenue and redemption flights.

and the FAQ on BA.com here (this includes information on BA Holidays bookings which are substantially different): https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...st-information

Can I do anything with an existing booking now?
Yes. Your options are different depending on whether your flights are currently showing as cancelled or not. See the links above.

What about Heathrow staff - aren't their strikes planned there too?
Yes there is a separate dispute at the moment between Heathrow Airport (HAL) and their staff such as those who operate the security checkpoints. See the separate thread on the issue.

Am I protected by EC261 if there is a problem?
You are always covered by the Right to Care provisions of Regulation EC261. You could potentially be able to claim compensation for delays, cancellations and downgrades caused by BA staff action too, but not for HAL strikes (for cancellations only if there is flight is less than 14 dayís notice). See the main EC261 thread in the BA Forum Dashboard.
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Old Sep 17, 19, 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by TheJayHatch View Post
Not sure it will work: the pilots are pledging to support each other with pcm contributions.

The bit that has shocked me, upon further discussion, is that rostered pilots are not being permitted to assist with Flight Ops service recovery the days after the striking days (i.e. 5 day roster starting on the 11th means they cannot work the 12th onwards) yet BA are sending under-crewed aircraft on LH routes, putting 2 FC on a JFK trip instead of 3 etc. It is still within the strict limits of what is permitted but more what one would expect on Ryanair. THe reasons I fly BA - pilots operating well within safety margins for tiredness etc - are being ignored.

Also there is clear evidence that pilots are being rostered onto already over-rostered flights (eg 7 rostered for a SH route on the 27th) to then ensure they are picked up by the striking penalties.

What annoys me is that BA repeatedly claim to want to limit the impact on passengers, but the behaviour Iíve seen evidence of this evening suggests we are just collateral damage, and that the dirty tricks are in play that wonít solve this quickly.

Stand by for more strikes: this is not going to end any time soon, by the looks of it.
Exactly this, as Iíve said before I like BA, as a Gold Card holder Iíve had some great trips and the lounges and First Wing make travel better. This language is on a par with the we are very disappointed that criminals have stolen our customers data not we are sorry our customers data was stolen although I guess thereís admission of liability.

On the first major IT outage it was Ďdue to a power surge from the electrical supplierí when it wasnít. They need to take ownership.

They will lose lose a few customers however on here and other social media groups itís how can I get x TP to get me to/maintain Silver or Gold , how can I spend my 2-4-1 voucher, etc etc.

I think we are in it for the long haul. Iíd like to think that Flight Deck Crew can ride out the storm a bit better than cabin crew but would like it concluded ASAP. Itís heartbreaking to see peopleís plans scuppered.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 1:04 am
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Originally Posted by TheJayHatch View Post
I suspect that the benefits are discretionary rather than contractual. However I was astounded by the spite. Committed and long serving staff having already booked family holidays cancelled? This is a corporation digging in and fighting pretty dirty...
And what about the innocent fare paying passengers who have no horse in this race and have had their already booked family holidays cancelled because of the strikes?
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Old Sep 18, 19, 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK View Post
And what about the innocent fare paying passengers who have no horse in this race and have had their already booked family holidays cancelled because of the strikes?
No dispute in the tone of your question there, although it is absolutely clear here that BA are making few if any attempts to minimise the impact. That pilots rostered and available for work are not being permitted to work because they were on strike on day 1, and for BA to then over-roster staff onto strike days intentionally (including ground-based pregnant FC and some on sick leave) strikes me as an incredibly cynical attempt to worsen the impact upon you and me. And I have already started to vote with my feet, out of necessity initially but (for the first time this week) out of choice. The email I read last night was exceptionally spiteful and, if I was a reluctantly striking pilot (as the majority are) it would harden my resolve.

Withdrawal of labour is a materially serious matter, and the removal of pay should be expected (although the basis of calculation, having looked at it in a little detail, is random and unnecessarily punitive on some but not all). But BA management are falling into the trap of any engagement by doubling down on the offensive. This won't be over by Christmas.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 2:07 am
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Originally Posted by Agent69 View Post
Nearly as paranoid as they are about not caving into BALPA demands?

I wonder if the strike action is effectively the opposite of a self fulfilling prophecy. If they go on strike often enough there will be no profits for them to complain about not having a share of.
The maths is fairly simple. If the pilots strike 3 days per month giving exactly 14 days notice for a year, that will wipe out BA's annual profits.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by KeaneJohn View Post
Exactly this, as Iíve said before I like BA, as a Gold Card holder Iíve had some great trips and the lounges and First Wing make travel better. This language is on a par with the we are very disappointed that criminals have stolen our customers data not we are sorry our customers data was stolen although I guess thereís admission of liability.

On the first major IT outage it was Ďdue to a power surge from the electrical supplierí when it wasnít. They need to take ownership.

They will lose lose a few customers however on here and other social media groups itís how can I get x TP to get me to/maintain Silver or Gold , how can I spend my 2-4-1 voucher, etc etc.

I think we are in it for the long haul. Iíd like to think that Flight Deck Crew can ride out the storm a bit better than cabin crew but would like it concluded ASAP. Itís heartbreaking to see peopleís plans scuppered.
whatís amazing is by striking BA may book them on other airlines if they have to travel that day, and if they do that people will realise that the grass may be greener on the other side! Non status and economy passengers are treated terribly on BA short haul against the European competition and they may not be so loyal anymore once they see how much better the full service airlines are on these routes.

im seeing a lot of Iíll try lufthansa on this thread, many people seemed to have misplaced loyalty towards ba until this strike left them with no option other than to risk not flying
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Old Sep 18, 19, 3:12 am
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Originally Posted by TheJayHatch View Post
...putting 2 FC on a JFK trip instead of 3 etc. I...
I am corrected this is standard for JFK/East Coast.
The examples of lessor (or arguably poor) safety with regard to FC staffing are YVR, SEA, DEN and KUL...
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Old Sep 18, 19, 3:14 am
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Originally Posted by ahmetdouas View Post
people will realise that the grass may be greener on the other side!
Did anyone else see the Emirates advert earlier this week basically saying 'we are like flying used to be'. A friend travelling to Kuwait on Monday was rebooked into J on one of the ME3 and was upgraded to 'Apartment 2A'. That was no co-incidence, I reckon.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 3:49 am
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Originally Posted by TheJayHatch View Post
Did anyone else see the Emirates advert earlier this week basically saying 'we are like flying used to be'. A friend travelling to Kuwait on Monday was rebooked into J on one of the ME3 and was upgraded to 'Apartment 2A'. That was no co-incidence, I reckon.
I actually noticed a BA 'sale' advert on the A40 the other day on quite a large billboard.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by TheJayHatch View Post
Did anyone else see the Emirates advert earlier this week basically saying 'we are like flying used to be'. A friend travelling to Kuwait on Monday was rebooked into J on one of the ME3 and was upgraded to 'Apartment 2A'. That was no co-incidence, I reckon.
Very much a co-incidence in my opinion.

EK (and I think EY) generally upgrade on ticket type rather than status. So, somebody with no status buying a fully flexible ticket would be upgraded over a Gold on a Saver ticket. (On EK, Platinum trumps ticket type, but there are relatively few).
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Old Sep 18, 19, 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA View Post
Very much a co-incidence in my opinion.

EK (and I think EY) generally upgrade on ticket type rather than status. So, somebody with no status buying a fully flexible ticket would be upgraded over a Gold on a Saver ticket. (On EK, Platinum trumps ticket type, but there are relatively few).
Within fare brands pax are prioritized by status, this has been discussed extensively on the EK forum. But yes all Flex Pluses are ahead of all Flexs, even if the Flex has a higher status. But within Flex Plus Gold beats Silver etc
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Old Sep 18, 19, 8:29 am
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The strike on the 27th has been cancelled.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 8:36 am
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CIHY,
thanks for letting us know. Hopefully it is a sign of good news.................
5 mins before pprune!!
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Old Sep 18, 19, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by TheJayHatch View Post
No dispute in the tone of your question there, although it is absolutely clear here that BA are making few if any attempts to minimise the impact. That pilots rostered and available for work are not being permitted to work because they were on strike on day 1, and for BA to then over-roster staff onto strike days intentionally (including ground-based pregnant FC and some on sick leave) strikes me as an incredibly cynical attempt to worsen the impact upon you and me. And I have already started to vote with my feet, out of necessity initially but (for the first time this week) out of choice. The email I read last night was exceptionally spiteful and, if I was a reluctantly striking pilot (as the majority are) it would harden my resolve.

Withdrawal of labour is a materially serious matter, and the removal of pay should be expected (although the basis of calculation, having looked at it in a little detail, is random and unnecessarily punitive on some but not all). But BA management are falling into the trap of any engagement by doubling down on the offensive. This won't be over by Christmas.
I choose not to take sides in a dispute that I am not a party to, the employment contracts and the associated terms and conditions of BA employees are none of my business, that is a matter solely for the employer and employee. I feel the same way about how the parties in an industrial dispute choose to behave in their dealings with each other.

Guided by Balpa the pilots will do what they think best for their cause and BA will do what it thinks is best for its cause. If one party choses to take drastic action then it is no surprise the other party takes equally drastic action, especially given BA's modus operandi in previous disputes.

As selfish as it may sound, I am a customer and my only concern in this dispute is my ability to get to where I need to go, when I need to be there. I have had direct hits on each strike date which have caused me significant disruption. BA have been good in re-arranging my travel, but I'd rather travel on the days and at the times I have chosen without fear of disruption.

With the kind of travel schedule I have, one cancelled or severely disrupted flight is likely to cause a whole series of knock-on effects with respect to other travel and business commitments. I'd rather not be subject to that sort of uncertainty. As a result I have not booked any new travel with BA since the first strike cancellations were announced.

Whilst I have sympathy for the pilots' cause and their right to withhold their labour, I do not appreciate being used as a pawn in this dispute. My livelihood depends on being able to travel, and that means being able to travel on the dates and at the times my commitments dictate. I have enough on my plate without having the added stress caused by the uncertainty of my plans. I want to make the most of my family time between trips, I do not want to be stranded on the other side of the world.
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Old Sep 18, 19, 8:58 am
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I can only hope this means there is a reasonable prospect of a resolution forthcoming.

Guess we will hear soon.
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