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LHR/LGW pilots (BALPA) industrial action 9 Sep, 10 Sep, and 27 Sep

LHR/LGW pilots (BALPA) industrial action 9 Sep, 10 Sep, and 27 Sep

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Help! What do I do now?
Most importantly, don't panic and don't do anything in haste. Read these FAQ. Read the thread, particularly the posts starting from the time that the strike dates were announced. Identify your options. Think about what works for you. Then take action. If you do anything in haste, you may have thrown away good options, or you may have thrown away money that you needn't have spent.

NOTE: Some emails have been sent out by mistake notifying the cancellation of flights on 8 September and other dates. If your booking still looks OK in MMB then you don't need to take further action. A cancelled flight should be shown in MMB with struck-through text. If your flight details are not struck through, then it probably hasn't actually been cancelled. You could check ba.com to see whether BA is still taking reservations for the flight in question. If so, then the flight has not been cancelled. You may also try checking on ExpertFlyer, if you have access, to see whether your flight appears still to be operating and whether BA is still taking reservations. However, some afternoon/evening flights on 8 September have genuinely been cancelled. See main thread for details.

Has a strike been called yet?
Yes. BALPA, the pilots' union, has voted in favour of strike action, and the Court of Appeal has rejected BA's submission to have the poll set aside, so the legal process is now over. The two parties went back into talks after the legal proceedings and those talks were expected to continue into the week of 5 August.

BALPA on 23 Aug announced strikes on Monday 9 September Tuesday 10 September and Friday 27 September.

Any further strikes normally require 2 weeks notice under UK legislation.

What flights may be affected?
LHR and LGW based flights. Not LCY or STN flights. Both cabin and flight crew are in dispute with BA, but the pilots (captains, senior first officers, first officers) are closest to strike action.

How long would a strike last?
The initial strikes are for two days the a single day, with normal working in between. Any other strikes could be of any length. It would be rare in the UK for there to be a full time strike.

What would happen to my flights if it is a strike day?
A range of options have been announced, see post 1551 below for more information: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post31451055

and BA Trade Site guidance here: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...kba?faqid=7594

Rebooking is now allowed on Iberia, AA, Finnair, JAL and Qatar. Within Europe EI and Vueling are also allowed. This is for both revenue and redemption flights.

and the FAQ on BA.com here (this includes information on BA Holidays bookings which are substantially different): https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...st-information

Can I do anything with an existing booking now?
Yes. Your options are different depending on whether your flights are currently showing as cancelled or not. See the links above.

What about Heathrow staff - aren't their strikes planned there too?
Yes there is a separate dispute at the moment between Heathrow Airport (HAL) and their staff such as those who operate the security checkpoints. See the separate thread on the issue.

Am I protected by EC261 if there is a problem?
You are always covered by the Right to Care provisions of Regulation EC261. You could potentially be able to claim compensation for delays, cancellations and downgrades caused by BA staff action too, but not for HAL strikes (for cancellations only if there is flight is less than 14 dayís notice). See the main EC261 thread in the BA Forum Dashboard.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by DFB_london View Post


The threat today sees the Cruzbot resorting to meaningless measures as todayís Times says strikers travel benefits to be withdrawn. Looks both sides are far apart. Wonít this make more not less pilots join the action?
The last time BA tried this particularly petty tactic during the MF dispute, the union stood firm, the strikes continued long after they needed to, and BA ended up backing down after losing a lot more money. The pilots appear to have more leverage than cabin crew, so I would find it odd to try this one again. Still, we live in strange times...
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Old Sep 2, 19, 1:18 am
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Originally Posted by Oaxaca View Post


The last time BA tried this particularly petty tactic during the MF dispute, the union stood firm, the strikes continued long after they needed to, and BA ended up backing down after losing a lot more money. The pilots appear to have more leverage than cabin crew, so I would find it odd to try this one again. Still, we live in strange times...
As others have said, staff travel is not a great perk these days and thus most who need to fly just buy a revenue ticket
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Old Sep 2, 19, 1:41 am
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Originally Posted by DFB_london View Post


The threat today sees the Cruzbot resorting to meaningless measures as today’s Times says strikers travel benefits to be withdrawn. Looks both sides are far apart. Won’t this make more not less pilots join the action?

This won’t really come as much of a surprise to BALPA.

Yes, it’s Cruz in name who is issuing the threat (haven’t seen the piece myself .... happy to take your word on this) - but of course it comes straight from the Willie Walsh manual of management covering employee relations and inter-personal skills.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by DFB_london View Post


The threat today sees the Cruzbot resorting to meaningless measures as todayís Times says strikers travel benefits to be withdrawn. Looks both sides are far apart. Wonít this make more not less pilots join the action?
So mean and petty measures. The sign that Cruz is in dire straits.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 6:35 am
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Removing the cheap travel perk from strikers does seem to me to be very mean spirited. The mindset that says the perk is only for "loyal" staff and that loyal staff do not strike sounds like the bad old days of public ownership.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by subject2load View Post


This wonít really come as much of a surprise to BALPA.

Yes, itís Cruz in name who is issuing the threat (havenít seen the piece myself .... happy to take your word on this) - but of course it comes straight from the Willie Walsh manual of management covering employee relations and inter-personal skills.
It is reported here: https://invezz.com/news/equities/iag...riking-pilots/
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Old Sep 2, 19, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post


As others have said, staff travel is not a great perk these days and thus most who need to fly just buy a revenue ticket
Maybe for some staff, but this is not so true for many pilots, who live in Scotland / mainland Europe and use their concessions to position themselves to work. They'd most likely not just buy revenue. Although I guess Hotline is helpful for this
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Old Sep 2, 19, 9:29 am
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Originally Posted by mikeyfly View Post
Maybe for some staff, but this is not so true for many pilots, who live in Scotland / mainland Europe and use their concessions to position themselves to work. They'd most likely not just buy revenue. Although I guess Hotline is helpful for this
By the time you've paid the taxes for Staff Travel tickets, if you have sufficient notice, most pilots would probably buy Hotline Revenue tickets as the difference in cost is often too small to justify the uncertainty. Or even just use other carriers.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by A P Yu View Post
By the time you've paid the taxes for Staff Travel tickets, if you have sufficient notice, most pilots would probably buy Hotline Revenue tickets as the difference in cost is often too small to justify the uncertainty. Or even just use other carriers.
Yes, I guess this is often the case. However, the accompanying wife / husband / infants / kids on the main trips would be on staff travel ..
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Old Sep 2, 19, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by A P Yu View Post
By the time you've paid the taxes for Staff Travel tickets, if you have sufficient notice, most pilots would probably buy Hotline Revenue tickets as the difference in cost is often too small to justify the uncertainty. Or even just use other carriers.
Thatís possibly true around Europe, but further afield Hotlines arenít such good value and Staff Travel is still quite a lot cheaper even with the taxes.

Using other (low cost) carriers is all very well but few of them go into LHR. BA straight into T5 is generally quite desirable. Also the flexibility of Staff Travel (in terms of choosing any flight) is desirable too.

For the commuters Staff Travel is pretty essential.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Saladman View Post

Thatís possibly true around Europe, but further afield Hotlines arenít such good value and Staff Travel is still quite a lot cheaper even with the taxes.

Using other (low cost) carriers is all very well but few of them go into LHR. BA straight into T5 is generally quite desirable. Also the flexibility of Staff Travel (in terms of choosing any flight) is desirable too.

For the commuters Staff Travel is pretty essential.
Means reinstating this is going to be a new pilot demand?

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Old Sep 2, 19, 12:23 pm
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@ DFB_london - if you’re right, I cannot imagine (well ... actually I can) just what manner of chaos a whole series of strikes would create - not least for an airline relying on a website and phone support technology which are unlikely to win any Best in Industry awards any time soon.

But could things really get to such a point ?? I doubt it myself. I’d say there is a limit even to BA’s bloody-mindedness, when facing significant losses to both the balance sheet and to reputation.

And of course IAG shareholders will be asking difficult questions ..... if not already.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by DFB_london View Post


Means reinstating this is going to be a new pilot demand?
ISTR that happened with CC strike ... undoubtedly CC on here will confirm or deny what eventually happened.
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Old Sep 2, 19, 2:00 pm
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I'm flying to Milan on Friday 13th and I have just logged in to receive the 'we are very sorry' and you have the option to rebook.

Is it likely that If these go ahead I will be in trouble?
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Old Sep 2, 19, 2:03 pm
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I'm flying to Milan on Friday 13th and I have just logged in to receive the 'we are very sorry' and you have the option to rebook.

Is it likely that If these go ahead I will be in trouble?
All the MXP flight on that date are all still showing as operating. I would surprised if there was any impact from the strikes on 9/10 to those on 13 September.
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