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Differences between Business and First class that you value

Differences between Business and First class that you value

Old Jun 10, 19, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by hearingdouble View Post
... and just to prove that we're all different, I actively choose J on the sleeper service from Chicago over F. (In fact, I just made an Avios redemption on BA294 on a 241 from the UK, and chose J even though there was F availability and the increase in cost would have been only ~10,000 Avios per person and no difference in fees). I don't eat or drink at all on that service, and my favourite place to sleep is 62A/K - loads of room, no one bothers you, v quiet and private, and the proximity to the emergency exits means that the sleeping area is quite cool.

If you are BAEC Gold or OWE, you get a lot of the advantages of F anyway (First class check in / First Wing at LHR; first class lounge access; free seat selection; etc.). When flying from LHR T3, you can access the best OneWorld lounge in the terminal regardless of your class of travel. Without status, I think I would value F far more than I currently do.
I think on a 747 this depends on UD or non-UD J. UD-J (particularly in the window seats) is pretty much as good to sleep in as F (in some ways better). As that's pretty much all I do TATL US->UK, and as I get CCR access anyway, I don't see a lot of advantages of F. But with no UD, or where you are actually awake and eating, F is a bit better. Not hugely, but a bit.

One advantage of F not described so far: when your flight gets cancelled / connections get missed, I'm pretty sure for any given CIV/status, F pax will be rerouted with higher priority than J pax.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 4:05 am
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Benefits:

dine on demand (although I feel this is emphasised less...don't be afraid to ask for it)
more flexible menu...I prefer two starters and don't really do desserts, so i will ask for two starters often...although having the courtesy to say 'but only if there are spare'
more personal storage space (this varies by plane type however)
CCR and other First dining options where you can get a decent meal and then maximise sleep on the plane, e.g. from Washington DC to LHR, I will have a good meal and sleep on the overnight flight

However, I am price sensitive and will try and get these benefits at a reasonable price differential. I would not pay for F service at any price.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 4:14 am
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I'm another regular CW traveller, and I've never paid for, or redeemed in First. For me it's just not worth it, by way of a counter-opinion to the entirely valid insights placed above. The big jump for me is WTP to CW, and since I'm a fan of the CW seat and the new catering, I am happy enough there. I do now accept free upgrades to First, whereas I used to be reluctant to do that on night flights on commuter routes. Someone would always be wanting to make the most of the experience.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 5:08 am
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I would only choose F if I had to work. Despite being a ‘business’ class product, CW is not suitable for conducting business due to the small flimsy table.

I don’t care for lounges, turn up at the last minute, and go straight through North Fast track anyway at LHR. Each to their own - it can be what you want it to be.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 6:04 am
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Agree with a lot of the comments above, but the one that hasn't been mentioned and I LOVE is the buddy dining - the thing that Mrs BAECAddict and I enjoy most about a flight in F is being able to dine facing each other. I know you can currently sort of do this in CW, but actually having the table set up for two and then dine with a view is great fun. I should mention that this is best enjoyed on the A380 where there is LOADS of space and it also works quite well on the 777 which generally has enough space. The 747, at least rows 1 and 2, is a different matter and not recommended. We have avoided the 787 so far because the F seat doesn't have this option.

Otherwise, the better service, generally better food and drink and direct aisle access are all worth the extra plus CCR access is also a bit of a haven since the Flounge can get pretty busy at T5.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 6:04 am
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Hands down the best flight ever for me was F back from PVG. That was totally about the service (we were the only people in F that day); there was nothing 'first' about the airport experience (ie it was business class check-in, lounge etc).

But now I have experienced a few more flights in CW, I'm firmly in the CW-is-good-enough camp. Yet if there is avios redemption going west (or a day flight) I'll 100% take it. For me the very soft differences in the CCR to the First lounge (am Gold) and the onboard service level are worth the few extra avios. But would never pay cash.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 6:26 am
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After our one and only family F experience, my mum said she preferred J, as she felt a bit “isolated” in F.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 7:07 am
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I like the PJ's..still use them when traveling , and of course my wife took my last pair.. and uses them along with the ones from Cathy
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Old Jun 10, 19, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by TravelManBiz View Post

I thought that 98% ish of those flying F would at least have BA silver og OneWorld Sapphire status? So this would then not be so relevant?
You are probably right I am just in the 2%. With BA I fly a mix of cheap cash J fares upgraded to F or points bookings mostly in F. But even then it is not that many as I try to fly a mix of carriers out of necessity and/or curiosity. Thus I have never been more than Bronze with BA.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 9:08 am
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Don't you get a nice feeling of superiority when flying F?
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Old Jun 10, 19, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by TravelManBiz View Post

I thought that 98% ish of those flying F would at least have BA silver og OneWorld Sapphire status? So this would then not be so relevant?
Actually not really. F is one of those cabins where a significant proportion of passengers don’t bother with FFPs and a large proportion of those paying full fare F will go for most convenient itinerary on an ad hoc way so you do have a fair number of people who never actually fly ba usually or do so without status.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 9:55 am
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As someone that is not a fan of the BA J seat and setup the upgrade to F is just more space and a comfortable flight. If it was JFK to LHR.....not such a big deal. It is all about the seat and space for me and would be worth it on that flight for me.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 10:09 am
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For me, if I want to travel in premium cabin in BA, F is the only option but I am happy with J as I care only about having a bed, nothing else matters. Unfortunately Austin has no McDonalds in the airport and I am unable to bring my own "food' to the F cabin
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Old Jun 10, 19, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by Greenpen View Post
Don't you get a nice feeling of superiority when flying F?
Well on the 747 when they hold back WTP until all of F is out, I feel a little embarrassed. Same when boarding early on the 777s when everyone walks past ; the looks you get are very much in the WDYTYA vein.
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Old Jun 10, 19, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by BlueThroughCrimp View Post
After our one and only family F experience, my mum said she preferred J, as she felt a bit “isolated” in F.
This is very much like the debate between offices and no offices at work. Some people feel isolated by their offices, others enjoy the lack of distractions.
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