UUA to First incurs extra "Tax"
Jun 4, 2019, 8:47 am
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Has MANtraveller actually said this?
I'm wondering whether this was a MAN-LHR-BOS-LHR-MAN booking (don't ask me why I've wildly guessed that), and this is an example of the problems that arise with YQ calculations when there is no set of combinable cash fares that can be used to calculate the correct TFCfor the upgraded itinerary.
I'm wondering whether this was a MAN-LHR-BOS-LHR-MAN booking (don't ask me why I've wildly guessed that), and this is an example of the problems that arise with YQ calculations when there is no set of combinable cash fares that can be used to calculate the correct TFCfor the upgraded itinerary.
Jun 4, 2019, 8:50 am
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Jun 4, 2019, 9:38 am
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Additional data point: I recently UUA a LGW to JFK return from WT+ to CW. Holiday booking (flight plus car). Had to do the upgrade over the phone which cost £150 + Avios each way in fees.
This seemed much higher than I remembered (usually sub £100 e/w). The agent claimed this was because 'The taxes are higher from Gatwick'. Didn't seem anything to be gained from challenging this, so I paid and went on my way.
In my case it certainly made the value of the UUA marginal. I could have made the original booking in J for about £250 more. I tried to cancel and re-book, but also discovered in the process that holiday bookings do not have the 24 hour cooling-off period.
This seemed much higher than I remembered (usually sub £100 e/w). The agent claimed this was because 'The taxes are higher from Gatwick'. Didn't seem anything to be gained from challenging this, so I paid and went on my way.
In my case it certainly made the value of the UUA marginal. I could have made the original booking in J for about £250 more. I tried to cancel and re-book, but also discovered in the process that holiday bookings do not have the 24 hour cooling-off period.
Last edited by dca100; Jun 4, 2019 at 9:40 am Reason: typo
Jun 4, 2019, 9:54 am
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I've recently tried to upgrade my LHR- IAD avios booking from CW to F in August. Booked originally at T-354 and paid roughly £555 per ticket in taxes and fees. Availability opened up and phoned BA for F upgrade. The extra charges for the upgrade were £35 per change (as expected), 20k avios and £124pp, due to the increase in taxes and fees from when I booked, compared to today (ie £669 vs £555)
Jun 4, 2019, 10:05 am
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Additional data point: I recently UUA a LGW to JFK return from WT+ to CW. Holiday booking (flight plus car). Had to do the upgrade over the phone which cost £150 + Avios each way in fees.
This seemed much higher than I remembered (usually sub £100 e/w). The agent claimed this was because 'The taxes are higher from Gatwick'. Didn't seem anything to be gained from challenging this, so I paid and went on my way.
This seemed much higher than I remembered (usually sub £100 e/w). The agent claimed this was because 'The taxes are higher from Gatwick'. Didn't seem anything to be gained from challenging this, so I paid and went on my way.
I've recently tried to upgrade my LHR- IAD avios booking from CW to F in August. Booked originally at T-354 and paid roughly £555 per ticket in taxes and fees. Availability opened up and phoned BA for F upgrade. The extra charges for the upgrade were £35 per change (as expected), 20k avios and £124pp, due to the increase in taxes and fees from when I booked, compared to today (ie £669 vs £555)
Passenger Service Charge - United Kingdom GBP 46.62
Air Passenger Duty - United Kingdom GBP 172.00
Immigration User Fee - USA GBP 5.50
Animal & Plant Health User Fee (Aphis) - USA GBP 3.10
Transportation Tax(Arrival) - USA GBP 14.70
Customs User Fee - USA GBP 4.60
Carrier imposed charge GBP 200.00
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Total taxes, fees, carrier imposed charges GBP 446.52
Air Passenger Duty - United Kingdom GBP 172.00
Immigration User Fee - USA GBP 5.50
Animal & Plant Health User Fee (Aphis) - USA GBP 3.10
Transportation Tax(Arrival) - USA GBP 14.70
Customs User Fee - USA GBP 4.60
Carrier imposed charge GBP 200.00
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Total taxes, fees, carrier imposed charges GBP 446.52
Jun 4, 2019, 10:15 am
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Jun 4, 2019, 10:46 am
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Ok. Well looking at a the TFC for LHR-IAD/BOS-LHR in J all on BA current TFC is about £669 which is the same as F as well. So if you originally paid £555 I think perhaps you booked prior to some recent increase which is now being clawed back when you do the change.
Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 am
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It is quite possible that this is the result of originally booking a Dual Inventory Fare (DIF) for WTP. These are cheaper WTP fares because the carrier surcharge is set lower than normal, so if you upgrade the difference to CW can be higher than expected. I recently booked a WTP to JFK and upgraded out and back to CW, extra TFC was around £150-200
Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 am
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Any theories for dca100's example? I guess it could be the same as Yozza77 so booked at a carrier surcharge rate prior to a general increase and doing the upgrade after the increase?
Jun 4, 2019, 11:15 am
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As far as i’m aware its simply that the carrier sucharge for first has been increased on flights from the US. But does apply if you are ex LON and it the inbound flight. The examples i’ve handled were looking at Uua from Club to first on an inbound flight of an itinerary.
Jun 4, 2019, 11:21 am
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Jun 4, 2019, 11:46 am
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As far as i’m aware its simply that the carrier sucharge for first has been increased on flights from the US. But does apply if you are ex LON and it the inbound flight. The examples i’ve handled were looking at Uua from Club to first on an inbound flight of an itinerary.
Last edited by Andriyko; Jun 4, 2019 at 12:23 pm Reason: Clarify the starting point
Jun 4, 2019, 11:54 am
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Jun 4, 2019, 11:55 am
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As far as i’m aware its simply that the carrier sucharge for first has been increased on flights from the US. But does apply if you are ex LON and it the inbound flight. The examples i’ve handled were looking at Uua from Club to first on an inbound flight of an itinerary.
If that were the case then a US customer upgrading the return UK-US portion of his ticket should then receive a refund.
Jun 4, 2019, 11:58 am
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As far as i’m aware its simply that the carrier sucharge for first has been increased on flights from the US. But does apply if you are ex LON and it the inbound flight. The examples i’ve handled were looking at Uua from Club to first on an inbound flight of an itinerary.