BA2671 AMS-LGW 29.04 - I Just Want You To Know
Apr 30, 2019, 4:28 pm
#31
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I inferred that the OP had some notion that this dreadful individual actually read FlyerTalk. I couldn’t quite see why this was an open letter rather than s simple relating of events. It was a unique way of posting and it clearly disturbed some. If I’m honest, I think it was far too long, far too emotive, and very credible.
What I do find appalling is that he was not offloaded there and then. I feel sorry for the poor crew having to deal with this nonsense.
What I do find appalling is that he was not offloaded there and then. I feel sorry for the poor crew having to deal with this nonsense.
Apr 30, 2019, 4:37 pm
#32
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What did he then do with his iPad that was so important? I once sat down behind a man in 1A looking ostentatiously stressed and busily tapping on an iPad, who told his child (1C) to speak to its mother across the aisle instead because he didn't have time right now. I peered around the side of the seat to see what was so important on his iPad and.... he was mid-way through a game of solitaire!
I almost said something, but you know, it is *British* Airways...
I almost said something, but you know, it is *British* Airways...
Apr 30, 2019, 4:58 pm
#33
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i know qantas specifically asks if there’s any laptops, power banks etc before gate checking bags. Not sure what other airlines have in place
Apr 30, 2019, 7:25 pm
#35
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Just for a clarification you are absolutely allowed to transport laptops in the hold with Lithium Ion batteries in the devices. I regularly fly with around 36 Macbook Airs in the hold on BA, QF, QR, CX & SQ.
You are not allowed spare Lithium Ion batteries (i.e. loose) nor power banks.
You are not allowed spare Lithium Ion batteries (i.e. loose) nor power banks.
May 1, 2019, 12:36 am
#36
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May 1, 2019, 12:52 am
#38
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That’s how I also know that Mrs CLAM is friends with one of BA's LGW Senior Team as they have a lot of interactions (as she's high up in GAL's Security Team).
May 1, 2019, 1:07 am
#39
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Difficult to know where to go with this one. Undoubtably the guy involved was an idiot of the very highest order (pity the children), but I'm not sure that the crew can overlook the issue of a device that is potentially not in the required flight safe mode being in the hold.
However, there are a couple of issues here that IMO should be addressed by the airline if they are to reduce/eliminate this kind of behaviour.
HBO fares seem a sensible way to allow a cheaper fare for those that can do without checked baggage but this will only ever properly work if the hand baggage rules are consistently enforced. I have travelled on two TP runs recently HBO and there wasn't a flight when it was obvious that people had hand baggage that was oversized or with too many items. While people can get away with getting on board with hand baggage that simply should have been checked then they will always try it on.
The issue of a single iPad being not in flight-safe mode delaying the aircraft at all is laughable IMO. On a few occasions I have accidentally left my phone in normal mode (I am normally very good at turning them off BTW!) and I have seen people actually using their phone to make calls whilst we take off. I am 100% convinced that on every flight it is highly likely that there will be some phones or tablets not in flight safe mode both in the cabin and in baggage. I am not convinced that the captain would have been too bothered by one iPad and I suspect that there is more to this delay than meets the eye... Just my opinion - or am I wrong about how electronic devices can or cannot affect on-board systems? If it was that important there would be a way that the flight crew could determine if there is any devices not in flight-safe mode. It seems to me not to be so important nowadays.
May 1, 2019, 1:59 am
#40
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I feel for all the passengers delayed by these DYKWIAs and in now way do I criticise the OP for the rant... I would have done the same!
However, there are a couple of issues here that IMO should be addressed by the airline if they are to reduce/eliminate this kind of behaviour.
HBO fares seem a sensible way to allow a cheaper fare for those that can do without checked baggage but this will only ever properly work if the hand baggage rules are consistently enforced. I have travelled on two TP runs recently HBO and there wasn't a flight when it was obvious that people had hand baggage that was oversized or with too many items. While people can get away with getting on board with hand baggage that simply should have been checked then they will always try it on.
The issue of a single iPad being not in flight-safe mode delaying the aircraft at all is laughable IMO. On a few occasions I have accidentally left my phone in normal mode (I am normally very good at turning them off BTW!) and I have seen people actually using their phone to make calls whilst we take off. I am 100% convinced that on every flight it is highly likely that there will be some phones or tablets not in flight safe mode both in the cabin and in baggage. I am not convinced that the captain would have been too bothered by one iPad and I suspect that there is more to this delay than meets the eye... Just my opinion - or am I wrong about how electronic devices can or cannot affect on-board systems? If it was that important there would be a way that the flight crew could determine if there is any devices not in flight-safe mode. It seems to me not to be so important nowadays.
However, there are a couple of issues here that IMO should be addressed by the airline if they are to reduce/eliminate this kind of behaviour.
HBO fares seem a sensible way to allow a cheaper fare for those that can do without checked baggage but this will only ever properly work if the hand baggage rules are consistently enforced. I have travelled on two TP runs recently HBO and there wasn't a flight when it was obvious that people had hand baggage that was oversized or with too many items. While people can get away with getting on board with hand baggage that simply should have been checked then they will always try it on.
The issue of a single iPad being not in flight-safe mode delaying the aircraft at all is laughable IMO. On a few occasions I have accidentally left my phone in normal mode (I am normally very good at turning them off BTW!) and I have seen people actually using their phone to make calls whilst we take off. I am 100% convinced that on every flight it is highly likely that there will be some phones or tablets not in flight safe mode both in the cabin and in baggage. I am not convinced that the captain would have been too bothered by one iPad and I suspect that there is more to this delay than meets the eye... Just my opinion - or am I wrong about how electronic devices can or cannot affect on-board systems? If it was that important there would be a way that the flight crew could determine if there is any devices not in flight-safe mode. It seems to me not to be so important nowadays.
May 1, 2019, 2:19 am
#41
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Yes, that does make sense but again, I can't imagine that many flights leave the stand with no Li-Ion powered devices turned on in checked baggage... especially tablets and eReaders, which often only go into a low-power state when not in use and are seldom, or ever, powered down completely. I think you are right that it probably was the fact that there was a Li-Ion powered device powered on that was there issue here but isn't it really only paying lip-service to it when there were, in all likelihood, many such powered-on devices in the hold already and not declared.
May 1, 2019, 9:29 am
#43
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Yes, that does make sense but again, I can't imagine that many flights leave the stand with no Li-Ion powered devices turned on in checked baggage... especially tablets and eReaders, which often only go into a low-power state when not in use and are seldom, or ever, powered down completely. I think you are right that it probably was the fact that there was a Li-Ion powered device powered on that was there issue here but isn't it really only paying lip-service to it when there were, in all likelihood, many such powered-on devices in the hold already and not declared.
May 1, 2019, 10:14 am
#44
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The crew surely can’t just ignore the fact they had been told there was a powered on device in the hold which could pose a fire risk? It doesn’t matter how many others may or may not have been in there, the fact here is they knew for sure there was one and where to find it.
If it mattered that much they would check, as a matter of routine, that there are no turned on devices in hold baggage. They don't.
Personally, I feel that to delay the flight in this way for a turned on iPad (if that was the real reason) was unnecessary at best...
May 1, 2019, 11:59 am
#45
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Well, I don't exactly follow that logic when they don't check at all whether there are any others. If it really doesn't matter to the point where they don't check for any in hold baggage as a matter of routine then it isn't important enough to worry about that one IMO.
If it mattered that much they would check, as a matter of routine, that there are no turned on devices in hold baggage. They don't.
Personally, I feel that to delay the flight in this way for a turned on iPad (if that was the real reason) was unnecessary at best...
If it mattered that much they would check, as a matter of routine, that there are no turned on devices in hold baggage. They don't.
Personally, I feel that to delay the flight in this way for a turned on iPad (if that was the real reason) was unnecessary at best...
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