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Changes to redemption prices on partner airlines eff 30 May 2019

Changes to redemption prices on partner airlines eff 30 May 2019

Old Apr 29, 19, 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Theirin View Post
Wouldn't a business usually agree and sign contracts before announcing changes?
Hahaha.

Sorry, that did make me laugh.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by TProphet View Post
By asking the right way, I was able to figure out what the changes are. They are loaded up into BA reservation agents' computers so I just had to list out some specific routes in order to get the pricing, and cross-check them on multiple airlines.

Here's the new chart - you saw it here first.
Thanks. Doesn't look horrific for short-haul, but for long-haul (which is what I prefer to use avios for) it could be nasty. Remember the long-haul premium multipliers are already much higher following the previous major devaluation.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
Thanks, fantastic work!

For comparison then it looks like:

New Partner Rates



Assumes multipliers for W/J/F remain the same as noted below the table.

Existing Rates from the spending avios sticky

As other said, these changes don't look that bad. I don't know why they just didn't publish the new chart.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 6:18 pm
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If the leaked price is true, the change seems to be modest... But anyone have news for new pricing beyond Zone 4?
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Old Apr 29, 19, 6:23 pm
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I didn't bother with longer distance award pricing, my agent was losing patience with my queries and the pricing already isn't very good on long haul awards. My focus was on popular Alaska Airlines and American Airlines routes from Seattle and LAX, cross checked with some Sri Lankan and Cathay routes of similar distance.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by TProphet View Post
I didn't bother with longer distance award pricing, my agent was losing patience with my queries and the pricing already isn't very good on long haul awards. My focus was on popular Alaska Airlines and American Airlines routes from Seattle and LAX, cross checked with some Sri Lankan and Cathay routes of similar distance.
losing patience? haha, i have the opposite experience with most BA agents... they talk my ear off when i keep them on the phone too long... if speaking with a manchester agent, just talk with an american accent and talk about manchester... in my experience they love talking with americans about manchester, they are very proud.

anyway what i dont understand is how their computers were loaded with the May 30 pricing? why would anyone be able to book at those rates before May 30?

normally these devaluations tend to leave economy rates alone and destroy J/F redemptions, but BA tends to already be rather overpriced (compared to competitors) with regard to premium cabins, especially on partners where there is no 'off peak', and especially when there is fuel surchages. i can't imagine premium redemptions getting much worse. and the rest of their pricing seems rather in line with everyone else, though i can see them raising the 4,500/7,500 economy band as you had seen.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Altaflyer View Post
Sending out an email that does not provide the details of the new system is very unfair and obviously not transparent!
Would it have been fairer and more transparent for the new prices to just come into effect on 30 May with no advance notice?

At least this gives people considering making a booking, time to do so with the current rates
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Old Apr 29, 19, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by cysyuen View Post
I hope SYD-MEL for 4,500 Avios in Y will stay......
Yes this is much cheaper than booking with QF, it's a nice option to have.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by pauleeepaul View Post
Really poor communication, wave the red flag but don't provide the important details .
The smart and sleazy way to communicate...

Test the market’s reaction and see what you can get away with, access the potential churn of customers to other FF programs or competing airline alliances before you finalize how hard you’ll bring the devaluation hammer down.

Let the penny drop slowly and split the negative reactions over two press cycles to dilute it out. Make it more palatable than a sudden halving of the worth of something held by your customers.

I’d anticipate an positive ‘fluffy’ announcement about new routes or improved first class, centenary celebrations around this news, sandwiching good around bad news to further dilute out the negative PR effect.
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Old Apr 29, 19, 10:16 pm
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Do AS flights to Hawaii and Mexico price domestic F seats on the C or F chart? If the former at 2x points then they are still a decent option. not so much for the 4x pricing.

Really my major concern is not with the short haul flights (which are still cheaper than many of the alternatives) but the sweet spots like NA to SA. Will these have bogus "fuel surcharges" now?
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Old Apr 30, 19, 12:23 am
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Originally Posted by HPN-HRL View Post
If zone 1 is now priced according to this chart for flights in the USA (AA, AS), this would be an improvement!
I doubt there would be any improvement. I would fully expect US flights to continue to be priced starting at band 2 even for band 1 distances so the shortest routes would become 9000 avios in Y rather than 7500 now.
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Old Apr 30, 19, 2:43 am
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Originally Posted by amt View Post


The smart and sleazy way to communicate...

Test the market’s reaction and see what you can get away with, access the potential churn of customers to other FF programs or competing airline alliances before you finalize how hard you’ll bring the devaluation hammer down.

Let the penny drop slowly and split the negative reactions over two press cycles to dilute it out. Make it more palatable than a sudden halving of the worth of something held by your customers.

I’d anticipate an positive ‘fluffy’ announcement about new routes or improved first class, centenary celebrations around this news, sandwiching good around bad news to further dilute out the negative PR effect.
there’s a reason miles changed to AVIOS.
its similar to PESO and like any dodgy currency devalues wildly every few years.

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Old Apr 30, 19, 3:18 am
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Wonder how long before BA changes its own redemption and earning rules?
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Old Apr 30, 19, 5:36 am
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BA says there will be no increase to “our” Avios fares. They lie! They have already increased their Avios long haul economy fares by 20% in the last two weeks. Typical BA.
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Old Apr 30, 19, 5:56 am
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Originally Posted by openfly View Post
They have already increased their Avios long haul economy fares by 20% in the last two weeks.
Isn't this a difference between peak and off-peak fares? I don't see any differences.
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