BA flight (op WDL Aviation) lands in Edinburgh instead of Dusseldorf by mistake
Mar 26, 2019, 8:11 am
#121
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Same here, but that'd be because I'd have been fast asleep anyway.
Strictly speaking I'm pretty sure it was narrowbody aircraft on which the BP was not checked, but I'm pretty sure they were checked on widebody aircraft on short haul flights (e.g. 767 to/from ATH, IST etc.).
Strictly speaking I'm pretty sure it was narrowbody aircraft on which the BP was not checked, but I'm pretty sure they were checked on widebody aircraft on short haul flights (e.g. 767 to/from ATH, IST etc.).
Mar 26, 2019, 8:38 am
#122
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Do you still check tge BP to IST after the demise of 767 out of curiosity?
Mar 26, 2019, 11:06 am
#125
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Edinburgh Evening News website now has a video taken inside the aircraft as the crew realise that there was an issue. He can be heard asking for no photos or videos.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...take-1-4896142
'And the funny video shows the worker asking the packed plane: “No one to Edinburgh? No one to Edinburgh?” Speaking over the tannoy, he tells the cabin “holey smoley” and the passengers can be heard laughing in disbelief. This is the hilarious moment a baffled airline worker realised a flight destined for DUsseldorf in Germany has landed in Edinburgh by mistake. It is understand the mistake was made after the flight paperwork was submitted incorrectly, yesterday. The plane, which started at London’s City Airport, was then redirected and landed in Dusseldorf. In the clip, the worker can be heard saying: “Holey smoley. “No one to Edinburgh? No one to Edinburgh?”
Edinburgh Evening News
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...take-1-4896142
'And the funny video shows the worker asking the packed plane: “No one to Edinburgh? No one to Edinburgh?” Speaking over the tannoy, he tells the cabin “holey smoley” and the passengers can be heard laughing in disbelief. This is the hilarious moment a baffled airline worker realised a flight destined for DUsseldorf in Germany has landed in Edinburgh by mistake. It is understand the mistake was made after the flight paperwork was submitted incorrectly, yesterday. The plane, which started at London’s City Airport, was then redirected and landed in Dusseldorf. In the clip, the worker can be heard saying: “Holey smoley. “No one to Edinburgh? No one to Edinburgh?”
Edinburgh Evening News
Mar 27, 2019, 7:55 am
#127
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Well the video clearly shows the plane had a lot of people on board, more in line with the 1/2 full I've seen on here as opposed to 5 people.
Ignorant as I am to the actual logistics, it leads to a lot of questions.
Does the pilot flight plan live in beautiful isolation from every other aspect of organisation of a plane's intentions to go from A-B ?
The gate must have said DUS, the boarding passes DUS, the gate staff must have "known" it was going to DUS, the gate computer likewise, and assuming the hold baggage was in the hold and marked DUS, then the baggage system must have had DUS as the destination of that plane. For it to be freed by the despatcher, whatever the handoff process, there was no conflict either in the verbal communication or the paperwork ? Does that suggest that the despatcher knew it was going to EDI, or that he was despatching it on the understanding it was going to DUS, or does the despatcher even know where a plane is going ?
It appears, that every aspect of the booking can say destination A, but if a flight plane is put in for destination B, there isn't a check that that is where the plane is supposed to be going, which if true sounds like a bit of a security issue.
Ignorant as I am to the actual logistics, it leads to a lot of questions.
Does the pilot flight plan live in beautiful isolation from every other aspect of organisation of a plane's intentions to go from A-B ?
The gate must have said DUS, the boarding passes DUS, the gate staff must have "known" it was going to DUS, the gate computer likewise, and assuming the hold baggage was in the hold and marked DUS, then the baggage system must have had DUS as the destination of that plane. For it to be freed by the despatcher, whatever the handoff process, there was no conflict either in the verbal communication or the paperwork ? Does that suggest that the despatcher knew it was going to EDI, or that he was despatching it on the understanding it was going to DUS, or does the despatcher even know where a plane is going ?
It appears, that every aspect of the booking can say destination A, but if a flight plane is put in for destination B, there isn't a check that that is where the plane is supposed to be going, which if true sounds like a bit of a security issue.
Mar 27, 2019, 8:31 am
#128
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Well the video clearly shows the plane had a lot of people on board, more in line with the 1/2 full I've seen on here as opposed to 5 people.
Ignorant as I am to the actual logistics, it leads to a lot of questions.
Does the pilot flight plan live in beautiful isolation from every other aspect of organisation of a plane's intentions to go from A-B ?
The gate must have said DUS, the boarding passes DUS, the gate staff must have "known" it was going to DUS, the gate computer likewise, and assuming the hold baggage was in the hold and marked DUS, then the baggage system must have had DUS as the destination of that plane. For it to be freed by the despatcher, whatever the handoff process, there was no conflict either in the verbal communication or the paperwork ? Does that suggest that the despatcher knew it was going to EDI, or that he was despatching it on the understanding it was going to DUS, or does the despatcher even know where a plane is going ?
It appears, that every aspect of the booking can say destination A, but if a flight plane is put in for destination B, there isn't a check that that is where the plane is supposed to be going, which if true sounds like a bit of a security issue.
Ignorant as I am to the actual logistics, it leads to a lot of questions.
Does the pilot flight plan live in beautiful isolation from every other aspect of organisation of a plane's intentions to go from A-B ?
The gate must have said DUS, the boarding passes DUS, the gate staff must have "known" it was going to DUS, the gate computer likewise, and assuming the hold baggage was in the hold and marked DUS, then the baggage system must have had DUS as the destination of that plane. For it to be freed by the despatcher, whatever the handoff process, there was no conflict either in the verbal communication or the paperwork ? Does that suggest that the despatcher knew it was going to EDI, or that he was despatching it on the understanding it was going to DUS, or does the despatcher even know where a plane is going ?
It appears, that every aspect of the booking can say destination A, but if a flight plane is put in for destination B, there isn't a check that that is where the plane is supposed to be going, which if true sounds like a bit of a security issue.
I would imagine that yes the systems live in isolation on a rudimentary level. More sophisticated airlines and "normal ops" might be more integrated, but as a wet lease it's likely that flight despatch from a flight plan and clearance perspective was handled by WDL while ground loading and boarding is handled by BA. That those systems don't talk to each other seems clear and understandable. More integrated operations where BA is doing both flight planning and clearances as well as ground handling might be more integrated
Mar 27, 2019, 8:43 am
#129
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It's a weakness that there isn't a check that the plane and the people on it have made plans to go to the same place. And it sounds like something that could possibly be abused by those of ill intent.
Last edited by tangey; Mar 27, 2019 at 8:52 am
Mar 27, 2019, 8:53 am
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Abused how, and by whom? The flight despatcher is having a bad day so he sends 200 people to MAN instead of MAD? Inconvenient, theft or negligence, but hardly a security issue, the flight plan won't cause the aircraft to crash.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:32 am
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Mar 27, 2019, 10:24 am
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Mar 27, 2019, 10:51 am
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Your suggestion that the despatcher may be at fault implies that there is a cross check system, and that there was a mess up this time in inplementing it. Your earlier reply suggested that there is no cross-check, that the plane/pilots plan and the ground crews /passengers plans might be in isolation. It would certainly be better if it was the former, than the latter.
Last edited by tangey; Mar 27, 2019 at 11:04 am