Ba1376 LHR to MAN took wrong turn
Mar 23, 2019, 5:31 am
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And you as an expert suggest what sanction? I think you'll find that unless there is negligence involved that a no blame culture exists, as it does in ATC, in order that everyone learns from the circumstances and hopefully the event won't be repeated.
Mar 23, 2019, 6:14 am
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We have a pre-arranged spot quite close to T3 where I picked him up, safely away from the drop off/pick-up area where you get charged.
It is starting to get well know where these ‘free’ areas are located now as there were quite a few others waiting in the same area to be picked up.
It is starting to get well know where these ‘free’ areas are located now as there were quite a few others waiting in the same area to be picked up.
Mar 23, 2019, 6:16 am
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The thread title also made me think the old Bugs Bunny cartoon about how he should have taken that left turn at Albuquerque
Wrong turns are a matter of serious concern and should result in the pilot getting a talking to since a wrong turn onto an active runway could have a very bad Tenerife level outcome for planes involved
Mar 23, 2019, 6:43 am
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There are big flashing orange lights at the edge of the runway, and a big red line of "stop" lights that will alert any pilot to the fact they are about to enter an active runway.
Mar 23, 2019, 7:04 am
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There are big flashing orange lights at the edge of the runway, and a big red line of "stop" lights that will alert any pilot to the fact they are about to enter an active runway.
So a runway incursion would be a very different incident from simply misreading or misunderstanding a taxiway or taxilane layout, and turning into the wrong area of the apron.
Mar 23, 2019, 8:50 am
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Mistakes happen. And it is important in a safety culture that the cause is established with no blame, to reduce the likelihood of a repeat. If people are punished for mistakes such as this where the worst that happened was a delay, then surely it will just lead to arse covering.
No doubt a combination of factors will have led to it - with things to learn.
Shouting at the crew “IN FUTURE BE MORE CAREFUL” isn’t going to help anyone. It happens. Remember the 747 in Johannesburg that went the wrong way and the wing hit a building (with iirc injuries on the ground) and somewhere like St Kitts / Antigua where a 777 took off from an incorrect intersection. In both of those cases, ‘blaming’ the f/c alone is overly-simplistic.
No doubt a combination of factors will have led to it - with things to learn.
Shouting at the crew “IN FUTURE BE MORE CAREFUL” isn’t going to help anyone. It happens. Remember the 747 in Johannesburg that went the wrong way and the wing hit a building (with iirc injuries on the ground) and somewhere like St Kitts / Antigua where a 777 took off from an incorrect intersection. In both of those cases, ‘blaming’ the f/c alone is overly-simplistic.
Mar 23, 2019, 8:52 am
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Whilst frustrating, I don't blame the pilots; the taxi-ways are confusing at the moment with the works underway. In anycase, I strongly believe in a Just culture as does BA, this was an error that didn't break any policy rules, it is not a disciplinary matter; an airline that would discipline their pilots for such lapses (I'm sure we can all think of a few including a few lorded as being superior to BA by some on here) is an airline in which a pilot is so afraid to make a mistake that it may cause a major mistake.
I do however, blame the airport- they should employ 'follow-me' cars if it is as confusing as it is at the moment.
As I said though, it really isn't the end of the world.
I do however, blame the airport- they should employ 'follow-me' cars if it is as confusing as it is at the moment.
As I said though, it really isn't the end of the world.
Mar 23, 2019, 9:24 am
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It's a shame that people are calling for the pilot to be disciplined. We all make mistakes. Whilst I appreciate that mistakes in aviation can have very serious consequences, as many have pointed out, aviation will on,y become safer if there is a transparent no-blame culture. Long may that continue. What I am surprised about is that it takes 45 minutes to remedy the situation.
Mar 23, 2019, 9:35 am
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It's a shame that people are calling for the pilot to be disciplined. We all make mistakes. Whilst I appreciate that mistakes in aviation can have very serious consequences, as many have pointed out, aviation will on,y become safer if there is a transparent no-blame culture. Long may that continue. What I am surprised about is that it takes 45 minutes to remedy the situation.
Mar 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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A cul-de-sac is very obvious / visible, identifiable in the taxiway network on the ground. At least one pilot should be seeing out of the windows ?
Mar 23, 2019, 9:46 am
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I think the issue is that work has made that taxi-way a cul de sac, it isn't marked as one on the chart (nee map) and it was in the hours of darkness so how visible it was that this would become an issue we don't know or what mitigation the airport put in to prevent this from happening (if any).