Originally Posted by Ancient Observer
(Post 30916559)
I hope they leave T5B just as it is. With few people using the lounge there.
I wouldn't want hordes of the entitled descending on the BA lounge........... |
Maybe time for a T5D, only for US flights (and select others at quiet times), A380 compatible, new set of lounges etc.
That would free up some gates to reduce down on bus transfers which no one really likes. |
Originally Posted by kellytoronto
(Post 30916878)
A classic example of irony if I've ever seen one.
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I suspect some element of message is lost in this Chinese whispers. Intention of concentrating T5 US bound flights in T5B is very different from saying BA is moving all US bound flights to T5B.
T5B could not handle all US bound flights with BA considering the aircraft utilisation and the departure waves. It would be nearly impossible to move all AA flights in. I mean, AA alone has 20 departures a day with majority concentrated between 9am to 1pm. In the mean time BA serves over 20 US cities nonstop. I am sure BA could and will find a way to concentrate all US departures in T5B. But it will take a lot of time to work out aircraft utilisation and scheduling short comings. It will not be done in weeks and it will take a lot longer time to implement. Plus, all T3 departures will have to have advance notice so passengers do not go to the wrong terminals. |
Move all US-bound flights to T5A, get rid of some retail outlets to create space for pre-Clearance. Shift the Foreign, Domestic and s/h to T5B/C, thus relieving pressure on the T5A Lounges. Pour myself another Calvados. No charge for the suggestion. ;)
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Originally Posted by Paul Banks
(Post 30917104)
Maybe time for a T5D, only for US flights (and select others at quiet times), A380 compatible, new set of lounges etc.
That would free up some gates to reduce down on bus transfers which no one really likes. |
Originally Posted by SpeedbirdLHR
(Post 30914436)
Sorry to disappoint, but USA departures from T5B has largely been around efficiencies. The team who do the passport checks/selectees and security searches can be based there with little need to be going between T5B and T5C. This also means that the swabbing equipment can be based at each gate and not need to be moved around. Moving them ends up with them having to be calibrated after each move.
Longer term there may be other benefits to having these flights in T5B. |
Originally Posted by HMPS
(Post 30918904)
Where will the money come from ?
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Originally Posted by MTJ Bound
(Post 30919547)
Given the extent of theft from HMRC each year from my paycheck plus the absurd PSC and other taxes on air travel, I am pretty sure they can find the money. There are long term plans to move more (if not all) BA/AA flights to T5, called T5 Plus. Well at least to see what capacity increases are feasible. |
Originally Posted by MTJ Bound
(Post 30919547)
Given the extent of theft from HMRC each year from my paycheck plus the absurd PSC and other taxes on air travel, I am pretty sure they can find the money. |
Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 30918911)
Why all the talk about pre-clearance? We have here the insiders word as to what is happening? |
Originally Posted by gw76
(Post 30922836)
Pre clearance was just surmised and then grew legs. The OP never gave the guessed reason- just that it was happening. Sounds like an overall damp squib to me and perhaps a waste of my re-click update time! Many threads around here grow appendages ! |
It would be a really great idea if there would be a possible pre-clearance area either at Terminal 5B or 5C; however; Virgin Atlantic, Delta, United would be against it unless they would be able to use the facility. I also don't imagine to see a T5D as the area between T5C and T3 is mainly used for operational stuff ( don't know exactly what ). Maybe they are planning to build Terminal 5D to another area where I can't think of, maybe near the future third runway but that means minimum another 5 years.
Ethiopian at DUB and Cathay Pacific at YVR is different. They are fifth-freedom carriers in the end and AFAIK, CX flies YVR-JFK midnight and the Pre-Clearance facility is closed at that time. In addition, late night USA flights ( after 20:30 ) from YVR also clear immigration at their point of arrival. Also it would be strange that CX would contract another lounge in the pre-clearance area even though they have a lounge in YVR. For ET in DUB; some of their flights land to DUB for fuel and crew change while no passenger could leave the aircraft ( ex: LAX route that closed recently ); on these flights ET does not carry ADD-DUB pax. I have also heard that there are projects to improve T5 in an aviation website.
Originally Posted by T8191
(Post 30917774)
Move all US-bound flights to T5A, get rid of some retail outlets to create space for pre-Clearance. Shift the Foreign, Domestic and s/h to T5B/C, thus relieving pressure on the T5A Lounges. Pour myself another Calvados. No charge for the suggestion. ;)
Also as a Silver passenger I won't care but F class passengers flying to Canada, South America or Far East and other destinations that F is served would look for a Concorde Club and OWE pax would look for their First Lounge. There is no space to build a larger Galleries Club or a Galleries First Lounge and a Concorde Club in the satellites. But, if the transit ( AirTrain ) and the walkway could be extended to Terminal 3 with an airside connection, your idea could make sense. Then domestic flights could be operated from Terminal 3 and transfer between domestic and international flights would be easier as it is at the moment. ****** And it's not true that all US flights have been started to operate from Terminal 5B; today's BA 269 to LAX has been departed from gate C55. And, the reason why A gates ( including A10 and the gates that could handle wide-bodies ) are not used for USA flights are that there are no SSSS equipment at the gates at A gates. Also there is no area to put those devices at A gates. This January, in one of my trips I have noticed that a 787 had parked to one of the A gates but it was heading to one of the Middle East destinations. |
I've boarded a US flight from A10 a number of times, including recently.
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This seems like classic galley FM amplified by repetition. All BA are trying to is to minimise their costs and time for the ancillary security processes, moving the teams and their equipment constantly between T5A to T5C. So they will as far as possible be using T5B, which is the usual departure gate for USA services anyway. This cannot be the 100% position, T5 just doesn't have a single spare gate at many times of the day, never mind the A380 situation. So T5A to T5C will continue to happen, just a shade less so than before. Unless you are doing a lot of USA departures, you probably would never notice this, if you work for G4S in T5 you just might. BKK - to take a random example - probably will still depart from T5B but may end up at T5C or T5A slightly more than before.
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