Mar 18, 2019, 4:12 am
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For the discussion on if/when the new seat will be on (insert flight/route here), please see the companion thread here: British Airways Club Suite 2019 - (When) Will I get the new seat on my flight?
On 18 March 2019, British Airways announced its new Club World seat:
Images: British Airways
BRITISH AIRWAYS WELCOMES ITS NEW A350 AIRCRAFT AND UNVEILS ITS NEW BUSINESS CLASS 'CLUB SUITE'.
360 degree view of cabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=dYJgVnHyDqA
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=vQ9XUNnvkvg
http://mediacentre.britishairways.co...details/109862
http://mediacentre.britishairways.co...details/109870
On 18 March 2019, British Airways announced its new Club World seat:
Images: British Airways
BRITISH AIRWAYS WELCOMES ITS NEW A350 AIRCRAFT AND UNVEILS ITS NEW BUSINESS CLASS 'CLUB SUITE'.
360 degree view of cabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=dYJgVnHyDqA
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=vQ9XUNnvkvg
http://mediacentre.britishairways.co...details/109862
http://mediacentre.britishairways.co...details/109870
New CW ‘Club Suite’ Discussion Thread
Apr 10, 2019, 10:09 am
#511
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Apr 10, 2019, 11:04 am
#513
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I feel BA is more like Windows ... it works some of the time.
Whereas VS is more like Apple ... looks cute (YMMV) but doesn’t do nearly as much as BA.
Whereas VS is more like Apple ... looks cute (YMMV) but doesn’t do nearly as much as BA.
Apr 10, 2019, 11:29 am
#514
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Apr 10, 2019, 12:26 pm
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May 15, 2019, 4:28 pm
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I expect (wrt Oman at least) the reference is to the Apex Suite:
https://apex.aero/be-aerospace-apex-suites
I've flown that product on JL and personally feel that the window seats are my favourite business product, if travelling on my own. That being said, I am also a huge fan of CX's latest generation of J seat, as well as the other Super Diamond seats I've flown before (VA, AA).
I'm a side sleeper and so having restriction around the knees is bad in my books, but I didn't have a problem with VA's seat. I also think the table design is better, as it slides up and is supported strongly at both sides, rather than swinging out and getting tired (and drooping) with age. The table can be 'docked' back all the way to the home position while it's unfolded as well (with a slightly tricky hand movement), which can be great if you need to go to the loo mid-service or without putting your laptop away.
For those asking why you should fly BA on the back of the new seat not being 'innovative' enough:
If it's "the same" as the other airlines you prefer, and they offer you better prices/timings/connections, then fly with the other airlines. Presumably you've been doing that already and BA have still been making money.
Personally, it puts BA on more of a level playing field in the future, so I think it's all good news and personally welcome this kind of competition.
Now if only someone in Europe properly were to shake up short haul business seats, then we'd be in for some good times!
https://apex.aero/be-aerospace-apex-suites
I've flown that product on JL and personally feel that the window seats are my favourite business product, if travelling on my own. That being said, I am also a huge fan of CX's latest generation of J seat, as well as the other Super Diamond seats I've flown before (VA, AA).
I'm a side sleeper and so having restriction around the knees is bad in my books, but I didn't have a problem with VA's seat. I also think the table design is better, as it slides up and is supported strongly at both sides, rather than swinging out and getting tired (and drooping) with age. The table can be 'docked' back all the way to the home position while it's unfolded as well (with a slightly tricky hand movement), which can be great if you need to go to the loo mid-service or without putting your laptop away.
For those asking why you should fly BA on the back of the new seat not being 'innovative' enough:
If it's "the same" as the other airlines you prefer, and they offer you better prices/timings/connections, then fly with the other airlines. Presumably you've been doing that already and BA have still been making money.
Personally, it puts BA on more of a level playing field in the future, so I think it's all good news and personally welcome this kind of competition.
Now if only someone in Europe properly were to shake up short haul business seats, then we'd be in for some good times!
May 15, 2019, 4:37 pm
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. However I'll wait until I've sat in it to pass judgement as it might be alright in the flesh. A modified Apex would have been my preferred option if BA were going to go down that route (pun not intended).
May 15, 2019, 4:42 pm
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May 15, 2019, 4:48 pm
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May 16, 2019, 12:13 am
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Though the I think the privacy with doors open is fine, I think people should just get over this "claustrophobic" thing based on the doors because you can have the doors open the entire flight so what your complaining about is irrelevant. Because it can literally be left wide open the entire flight. For those who want more privacy and like to feel enclosed they can have the doors closed. They aren't forcing the doors on you.
Then again people can never be satisfied . ALL the issues of old club world vanished, a new one has come out and people will STILL find something to complain about. Please.
Then again people can never be satisfied . ALL the issues of old club world vanished, a new one has come out and people will STILL find something to complain about. Please.
Years ago I tried out the old CO flat seat (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/2a...17051e5ca8.jpg)at a travel show. I made this point to the gentleman running the stand who conceded that feet under seats did reduce seat pitch. Also agreed that the design forced you to climb over your seat mate. He did the attempt to counter it with the other features of the seat but his major selling point of an ipod video connector wasn't swaying me. The last CO seats (https://www.letsflycheaper.com/image...l-airlines.jpg) were I think the old Eos seats/layout which gave aisle access to everyone but no feet under seats. For me putting a shell round that and you had something approaching a winner. This is why I liked the BA design that was very similar (https://www.liligo.co.uk/travel-maga...5393102770.png) on the patent books. It wasn't used which is a shame, Oman Air is the closest to this (http://samchui.com/wp-content/upload...ss-B787-40.jpg)
May 16, 2019, 7:22 am
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That's not a given although I understand that may be what you believe. Business class is not immune to the powers of the market. Provide accommodation that is dense enough to optimize space utilization while providing an attractive enough product. I think it's fairly easy to see how the Club Suite (and other airlines' business class products) came to be. While the CS may not be good for you, I think it is for the majority of people, and therefore BA.
For me being able to book a seat with aisle access is more important that not having my feet in a box provided the box is big enough. If that box is under the seat in front is irrelevant to me.
rb211.
For me being able to book a seat with aisle access is more important that not having my feet in a box provided the box is big enough. If that box is under the seat in front is irrelevant to me.
rb211.
May 16, 2019, 7:38 am
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I have gone on record before (multiple times) as saying I don't like the foot or feet hole. Now that BA have one and the seat pitch has been reduced it's one less reason to fly BA. Now if B6 (Jet Blue) as roumoured start doing TATL with their Mint seat to either JFK or BOS that would be really interesting..
May 16, 2019, 1:45 pm
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That's not a given although I understand that may be what you believe. Business class is not immune to the powers of the market. Provide accommodation that is dense enough to optimize space utilization while providing an attractive enough product. I think it's fairly easy to see how the Club Suite (and other airlines' business class products) came to be. While the CS may not be good for you, I think it is for the majority of people, and therefore BA.
For me being able to book a seat with aisle access is more important that not having my feet in a box provided the box is big enough. If that box is under the seat in front is irrelevant to me.
rb211.
For me being able to book a seat with aisle access is more important that not having my feet in a box provided the box is big enough. If that box is under the seat in front is irrelevant to me.
rb211.
If I've got to have a feet box whichever airline I choose then other factors come into play like through ticketing. I appreciate that seat pitch isn't as important to everyone. Some people aren't bothered if it's not very big and that's fine for them. However I've been spoilt by the vast space on the current BA seat which I will miss.
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May 16, 2019, 2:01 pm
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I'm well aware that Mint has the feet box but then BA will eventually. When that happens one reason for flying BA will become redundant. Another reason I like flying BA is because they have four flights a day to/from BOS. However I continue on to the island of ACK which can be difficult to get off of but where B6 also fly to. If there aren't any flights off the island (due to weather etc.) I have to get the ferry and then either drive or get the coach to BOS to catch the BA flight back to LHR. If I don't make it chances are I'll have to buy a new BA ticket which won't be cheap. Therefore if I can get a through ticket LHR/LGW/etc. to ACK on B6 then it becomes a different story. If B6 can't get me off ACK for their TATL flight then that's their problem not mine and I don't have to buy a new ticket.
If I've got to have a feet box whichever airline I choose then other factors come into play like through ticketing. I appreciate that seat pitch isn't as important to everyone. Some people aren't bothered if it's not very big and that's fine for them. However I've been spoilt by the vast space on the current BA seat which I will miss.
If I've got to have a feet box whichever airline I choose then other factors come into play like through ticketing. I appreciate that seat pitch isn't as important to everyone. Some people aren't bothered if it's not very big and that's fine for them. However I've been spoilt by the vast space on the current BA seat which I will miss.
rb211.
May 16, 2019, 4:34 pm
#525
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It’s a point that has been covered a lot in this thread already and I think the one you made earlier about most people obviously preferring aisle access over it is obviously the case and why BA eventually went with the option they did.
