B737 Max : CAA bans from UK airspace; Comair aircraft grounded
Mar 12, 2019, 7:54 am
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The first part would be potentially more tricky. Depends where they are. If not in UK airspace then they can't come in and divert to wherever their ops tell them. If in UK airspace they may not have a divert option outside the UK so will land and be stuck where they are.
Mar 12, 2019, 7:57 am
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Mar 12, 2019, 7:59 am
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I assume that the ban means that if any MAX aircraft are currently parked in the UK by owned by a foreign carrier, they can't even be ferried back home form use on other routes? Similarly, for example if one is currently at LHR, it would accrue enormous parking fees until a time that the ban is lifted, and if the ban becomes permanent, the only option would be to scrap the aircraft right where it is in the UK?
Mar 12, 2019, 7:59 am
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Is it always like this? Might the wording of an order on any particular occasion perhaps allow any airborne flight to complete its planned journey, with the aircraft then grounded upon landing? I can't immediately see how to get hold of the CAA's actual order, rather than the press release.
In any event in about an hour it will be an irrelevance as the issue will have passed. The few of them that are in the air and headed this way will have landed or gone away!
Mar 12, 2019, 8:02 am
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Of course. But each operator would then have the option to take its passengers where they expected to go - particularly if that specific aircraft was in any event returning to base. Other operators could decide whether it would be better to do that, or to divert and then re-route the stranded passengers. And, of course, some might take a guess as to whether a one-off exemption for a ferry flight of a stranded aircraft out of the UK might later be given.
Mar 12, 2019, 8:03 am
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I agree that it could be either way. But an operator granted permission to continue and land might not even want to do that - and be confined indefinitely when they they could abandon the sector and return to base and continue in use.
In any event in about an hour it will be an irrelevance as the issue will have passed. The few of them that are in the air and headed this way will have landed or gone away!
In any event in about an hour it will be an irrelevance as the issue will have passed. The few of them that are in the air and headed this way will have landed or gone away!
Mar 12, 2019, 8:06 am
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Looks like the're going to let flight already in the air enter UK airspace to land as BY485 Marrakesh - Manchester is now over UK air space. Two Turkish Airlines flights still flying to UK (Gatwick and Manchester).
Mar 12, 2019, 8:09 am
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I wonder if the Turkish aircraft will be allowed to leave?
Mar 12, 2019, 8:09 am
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DQ-FAB, Fiji's Max8, was enroute to SYD from NAN when CASA barred it. It landed at SYD but tomorrow morning's departure has been cancelled. I am not sure if they will be allowed to ferry it back to NAN empty but of course it has consequences if they are not allowed to - parking charges for a start, and operational aspects (e.g. operating to where they are still allowed to).
Looking at that situation illustrates the possibility that it might be in their interest not to land in the UK if the fuel allows, and they are short of aircraft and they are intending to keep using the aircraft in the meantime (obviously with the exception of UK-based aircraft).
Looking at that situation illustrates the possibility that it might be in their interest not to land in the UK if the fuel allows, and they are short of aircraft and they are intending to keep using the aircraft in the meantime (obviously with the exception of UK-based aircraft).
Mar 12, 2019, 8:10 am
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Norwegian is grounding its fleet of MAX, not just in the UK but everywhere.
https://media.uk.norwegian.com/pressreleases
https://media.uk.norwegian.com/pressreleases
Mar 12, 2019, 8:12 am
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DQ-FAB, Fiji's Max8, was enroute to SYD from NAN when CASA barred it. It landed at SYD but tomorrow morning's departure has been cancelled. I am not sure if they will be allowed to ferry it back to NAN empty but of course it has consequences if they are not allowed to - parking charges for a start, and operational aspects (e.g. operating to where they are still allowed to).
Looking at that situation illustrates the possibility that it might be in their interest not to land in the UK if the fuel allows, and they are short of aircraft and they are intending to keep using the aircraft in the meantime (obviously with the exception of UK-based aircraft).
Looking at that situation illustrates the possibility that it might be in their interest not to land in the UK if the fuel allows, and they are short of aircraft and they are intending to keep using the aircraft in the meantime (obviously with the exception of UK-based aircraft).
Mar 12, 2019, 8:12 am
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In response to post # 100 above regarding Norwegian's grounding decision:
Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win.
Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs.
Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win.
Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs.
Mar 12, 2019, 8:14 am
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In response to post # 100 above regarding Norwegian's grounding decision:
Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win.
Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs.
Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win.
Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs.
Mar 12, 2019, 8:16 am
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As a statement of the glaringly obvious ... Boeing seem to have created a global aviation disaster! I wonder if the airlines have any comeback on this ... although I doubt it.
EDIT ... comment from PPRuNe ... “In the event of a quality failure of similar magnitude to the 787/RR issues then Boeing at the end of the day...” Ouch!
But the increased automaticity allegedly involved does seem to suggest a degree of overcomplication to what was, once, a relatively straightforward aircraft to operate.
EDIT ... comment from PPRuNe ... “In the event of a quality failure of similar magnitude to the 787/RR issues then Boeing at the end of the day...” Ouch!
But the increased automaticity allegedly involved does seem to suggest a degree of overcomplication to what was, once, a relatively straightforward aircraft to operate.
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Mar 12, 2019, 8:18 am
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In response to post # 100 above regarding Norwegian's grounding decision:
Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win.
Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs.
Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win.
Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs.
Norwegian Air Internation has 9 MAX, based in UK and Ireland.
No clue where they currently are.