BA749 Basel - LHR Squawks 7700 and diverts to Stansted
https://fr24.com/BAW76GF/1fc1ea94 Looks like it broke off final approach into LHR and routed to Stansted. |
I would expect this to be fuel related after a number of orbits and then a change of stack for more.
Weather in NW London has been horrid for the last half an hour - thunder and hail - and looking at FR24 Heathrow stopped any approaches or departures for a time. |
But it was only one full loop in the stack and then one orbit - doesn't seem an unreasonable delay to expect when approaching LHR...
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BA685 from Innsbruck looks like it’s doing the same. On approach to Stansted now. |
And now the 685 from Innsbruck is going the same way!
Are all these diversions part of the calculation for the environmental impact of a third runway...? |
The holding patterns are absolutely crazy the QR1, BA from BKK, EK from DXB have all been creating funky doodles in the sky |
MrsT has just landed at LHR on BA238 from Boston, the approach was broke off due a lightning strike so the crew told them, all safely down now. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6550756f49.png |
Originally Posted by Telecasterman
(Post 30869908)
MrsT has just landed at LHR on BA238 from Boston, the approach was broke off due a lightning strike so the crew told them, all safely down now. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6550756f49.png |
Diversion for weather related closure of LHR does not explain the 7700 though |
I guess radio was very busy around EGLL so putting 7700 will get probalby quicker attention from ATC. |
Originally Posted by Takiteasy
(Post 30870158)
Diversion for weather related closure of LHR does not explain the 7700 though
Originally Posted by Krisz
(Post 30870184)
I guess radio was very busy around EGLL so putting 7700 will get probalby quicker attention from ATC. ATC on the radio. |
Originally Posted by krispy84
(Post 30870504)
Perhaps concerns over minimum fuel. You don’t squawk 7700 just to get better attention from ATC on the radio. |
Originally Posted by Heathrow Tower
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Yes, if fuel state was getting to the point of requiring a diversion, and the crew couldn’t get in on the frequency because of all the weather avoiding, 7700 could very well be used to attract the controller’s attention. |
Originally Posted by krispy84
(Post 30870549)
But there would have to be an underlying reason? |
Why wouldn't running out of fuel be a reason? At some point, it becomes an emergency. Some years ago there was a bad crash near JFK when an aircraft in a holding pattern didn't effectively communicate its fuel situation to ATC and ask for immediate clearance to land ahead of some other flights. |
If it was shortage of fuel BA really are scraping the barrel by taking on the bare minimum plus reserve for each sector.. |
Originally Posted by Deltus
(Post 30870567)
I'll defer to Heathrow Tower's knowledge here, but I reckon running out of fuel would be a good underlying reason.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30870572)
Some years ago there was a bad crash near JFK when an aircraft in a holding pattern didn't effectively communicate its fuel situation to ATC and ask for immediate clearance to land ahead of some other flights.
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For all we know there might have been an urgent medical issue on board in addition to everything else...
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Originally Posted by krispy84
(Post 30869785)
Looks like it broke off final approach into LHR and routed to Stansted
Where was this plane relative to the lightning strike on the 777 inbound from BOS ? |
Originally Posted by krispy84
(Post 30870741)
I was trying to say that there would surely need to be an underlying reason (fuel etc.) to require expedited communication with ATC, rather than just being unable to get through at a particular point in time. I’m certainly not trying to quibble with Heathrow Tower’s SME knowledge. |
Fair enough to some of the responses but aren't people missing the point that the craft was already on final approach? As mentioned by Oxon Flyer why would an aircraft fly to a more distant airport if on final approach and facing a fuel shortage?
I'm more interested than challenging to be honest. |
Ba749 was just ahead of the Ba238 in the arrival sequence, e.g. both on final approach. However it diverted much earlier (over central London) than Ba238 which was hit by lightning over Richmond Park. It may have been hit by lightning too. Am sure one of our insiders will let us know soon but it does not look like a fuel emergency. |
Would the following make sense: A lightening strike or possibility of one when on final approach, causes the flight crew to cancel their approach in order to run checklists. Meanwhile LHR closes runways for a period or may do so shortly. Flight crew make a judgement call that further holding to join the landing pattern and/or a closed field would lead to minimum fuel issues. They therefore decided to divert to Stansted, where there will be less of a queue to land and better met conditions. |
Originally Posted by Takiteasy
(Post 30875017)
Ba749 was just ahead of the Ba238 in the arrival sequence, e.g. both on final approach. However it diverted much earlier (over central London) than Ba238 which was hit by lightning over Richmond Park. It may have been hit by lightning too.
Or, in other words, we can all speculate as much as we like without shedding any light. |
That could be, given LHR was closed for circa 15mins to arrivals after 749 and 238 aborted the approach. Would be great to have the official version from an insider. |
Originally Posted by Globaliser
(Post 30875082)
Or, in other words, we can all speculate as much as we like without shedding any light.
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I’ll defer to more knowledgable sources but IF this were a fuel emergency then this does NOT mean the aircraft is ‘running out of fuel’. I think flight crew are required to declare an emergency if they can’t be sure they will arrive at their alternate airport without eating into final reserve fuel.
This video shows how some changes in estimated holding time can cause one to have to make a decision as to whether or not to divert: |
Originally Posted by Takiteasy
(Post 30875017)
Ba749 was just ahead of the Ba238 in the arrival sequence, e.g. both on final approach. However it diverted much earlier (over central London) than Ba238 which was hit by lightning over Richmond Park. It may have been hit by lightning too. Am sure one of our insiders will let us know soon but it does not look like a fuel emergency. |
Originally Posted by krispy84
(Post 30869842)
BA685 from Innsbruck looks like it’s doing the same. On approach to Stansted now. After landing at Stansted there was some discussion about whether to disembark (some pax living in the area were particularly keen to do so). We were on the ground for a couple of hours before flying on to LHR (15 mins wheels up to wheels down). Wrt refuelling, we were delayed departing Innsbruck to refuel. We then had to refuel again at Stansted. Free soft drinks were dispensed on board during the delay. There was much discussion on board about compensation for the eventual 3hr or so delay in landing at T5, but presumed by all that would be rejected due to it being extreme weather-related. |
STN to LHR. Depending on the route that's shorter than a ZRH-BSL flight I've taken. They're both about 55 miles.
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