More expensive to UUA?
#1
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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More expensive to UUA?
Hi all,
Am I being thick? I am trying to price up a rtn LON - NYC. Out in Premium on 14/09/19 back in Club 17/09/19. When I price up straight cash tickets BA.com (BA115 / BA172) it quotes me £2,278.44. However when I try to UUA on the rtn leg, same flights it quotes me 48000Avios + £ 3,076.44.
Why the £798 to upgrade using my Avois? The taxes should be the same so is it that it will only upgrade a full price W ticket to J rather than the I class when paying with cash?
Or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
Am I being thick? I am trying to price up a rtn LON - NYC. Out in Premium on 14/09/19 back in Club 17/09/19. When I price up straight cash tickets BA.com (BA115 / BA172) it quotes me £2,278.44. However when I try to UUA on the rtn leg, same flights it quotes me 48000Avios + £ 3,076.44.
Why the £798 to upgrade using my Avois? The taxes should be the same so is it that it will only upgrade a full price W ticket to J rather than the I class when paying with cash?
Or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
#2
Join Date: Jan 2013
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I think the general consensus is that something odd happens on the BA end with regard to inventory buckets when trying to make this booking in one go. Make the cash booking in one transaction and then call up to UUA straight afterwards.
#3
Join Date: Nov 2017
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Posts: 2,091
Hi all,
Am I being thick? I am trying to price up a rtn LON - NYC. Out in Premium on 14/09/19 back in Club 17/09/19. When I price up straight cash tickets BA.com (BA115 / BA172) it quotes me £2,278.44. However when I try to UUA on the rtn leg, same flights it quotes me 48000Avios + £ 3,076.44.
Why the £798 to upgrade using my Avois? The taxes should be the same so is it that it will only upgrade a full price W ticket to J rather than the I class when paying with cash?
Or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
Am I being thick? I am trying to price up a rtn LON - NYC. Out in Premium on 14/09/19 back in Club 17/09/19. When I price up straight cash tickets BA.com (BA115 / BA172) it quotes me £2,278.44. However when I try to UUA on the rtn leg, same flights it quotes me 48000Avios + £ 3,076.44.
Why the £798 to upgrade using my Avois? The taxes should be the same so is it that it will only upgrade a full price W ticket to J rather than the I class when paying with cash?
Or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
#5
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#6
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I'm happy to be corrected, but I thought there was only an APD uplift between WT and WTP? I thought going WTP to CW the additional was just BA fees?
Perhaps one of the experts could chime in, although whatever it is, the OP will need to pay it!
Perhaps one of the experts could chime in, although whatever it is, the OP will need to pay it!
#7
Join Date: Dec 2009
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No, for BA flights there are just two rates of APD:
Reduced rate for the lowest class cabin in the aircraft (also has to have seat pitch of less than 40 inches, so Baby Bus doesn't get into this category!), and
Standard rate for all other seats.
There is a higher third rate of APD, but this only affects aircraft of more than 20 tonnes with fewer than 19 seats: i.e. corporate jets.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-an...uty#rate-bands
Reduced rate for the lowest class cabin in the aircraft (also has to have seat pitch of less than 40 inches, so Baby Bus doesn't get into this category!), and
Standard rate for all other seats.
There is a higher third rate of APD, but this only affects aircraft of more than 20 tonnes with fewer than 19 seats: i.e. corporate jets.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-an...uty#rate-bands
#8
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Indeed, checking on ITA Matrix a return fare in WPT vs CW both have the same APD of GBP172
#9
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you're entirely correct. The difference is mostly the higher yq for business. That’s entirely a ba choice and income.
#11
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You have to make a call anyway, so an alternative is to simply call to book and upgrade in one transaction. You should not have to pay the offline fee, as the website was quoting you an incorrect cash element when you tried to use the book and upgrade part of the website.
#13
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Although it is entirely possible that the agent will call the additional charge "taxes" it is no more than additional fee going straight to BA. The last couple of times the charge for me WT+ to CW to the US was £100 per passenger in each direction
#14
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Indeed so, that was rather my point and we appear to be in violent agreement For all that the fees are entirely under BA's control, I will say I do still find WTP->CW UuA on the East Coast USA & Canada routes as something of a sweet spot in terms of Avios value, especially on peak dates.
#15
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Indeed so, that was rather my point and we appear to be in violent agreement For all that the fees are entirely under BA's control, I will say I do still find WTP->CW UuA on the East Coast USA & Canada routes as something of a sweet spot in terms of Avios value, especially on peak dates.